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Former world’s first trillionaire
Sure would be nice to have some food, affordable housing, and healthcare…
Get out of here, fracking lazy SOCIALIST!! 😡
Down 6%.
The line wiggled a bit.
Once again, wealth trickles up to the billionaires.
Capitalism! Gotta love it, or not.
I choose ‘not’
SpaceX on Tuesday disclosed it would acquire Cursor for $60 billion in stock, representing roughly 3.4% dilution—meaning investor stakes will represent a smaller percentage of the company—of SpaceX’s $1.77 trillion IPO valuation.
I never understood this. Dilution should require a vote from owners.
You vote by selling your stock if you disagree.
Are more than 50% of shares not owned by Musk? If not, a vote wouldn’t even matter.
Dilution should require a vote from owners.
Would it be helpful if that had been written into the company’s AoI and server software?
Money isn’t real.
I get it. I have a uniquely shaped rock that I found in a ditch. I value that thing at about 530 billion dollars. /s
Does it repel tigers?
Only under water
I will buy this rock.
The reflecting pool is now full of underwater tigers tasked with stalking the algae. The price has quadrupled.
Absolutely!!
The $600 billion drop in SpaceX’s valuation after the Cursor deal highlights a fascinating challenge in valuing private companies. Unlike publicly traded stocks, where daily price action reflects sentiment, these re-evaluations for private giants often come from specific events, making their impact seem more dramatic. It makes me think about how different ‘investor spooking’ mechanisms are between public and private markets. For a full breakdown on how these private valuations are often assessed, we put together a comparison here https://cxgo.ai/l/6iCkFab if it’s helpful — but it’s a tricky business. Research content only, not financial advice. Investing involves risk.
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The valuation of the stock is based on Musk doing what he’s always done, which is making seemingly impossible promises sometime in the future.
You know what he promised by 2025? A fleet of driverless Tesla taxis. xAI producing the first AGI. A human being on Mars planting a flag.
You know what the evaluation of SpaceX is based on? The promise of a Mars colony with one million human inhabitants, and space-based data centers. It’s going to be decades before it’s worth the IPO, if ever.
In the meantime SpaceX is in debt 20 billion, and is bleeding money. It lost $4.94 billion in 2025.
So it looks to me like a private equity project. Like Toys 'R Us or Radio Shack or Claire’s. Remember those?
And Nasdaq-100 is fast-tracking SpaceX into its portfolio after 15 days. Soon, pension funds and 401(k)s are going to feature SpaceX stocks. So when it does implode, a lot of worker-class folk are going to eat the loss.
You know who I bet will not be eating the loss? Trillionaire Elon Musk.
My favorite part about data centers in space is it may actually be impossible from a physics standpoint to build the heat radiators large enough for even a small one. Even though space is cold and would seem to make sense, it is also a destructive vacuum and to radiate even a small amount of heat outside of a shielded core would take a huge array of radiators
No, it’s totally possible. Not with any technology we’ve ever built, maybe not with any technology we can build, but physics doesn’t preclude it outright.
Your point still stands though. It’s a promise that’s impossible to meet within the lifetime of the investors.
It’s possible, but not economical.
For basically any “space datacenter” scenario, imagine putting that same thing in a vast desert instead. You’ll find it’s easier and an order of magnitude cheaper.
Yeah, maybe not impossible, but I mean extremely unlikely. I found a thread on reddit that had examples and a spreadsheet https://www.reddit.com/r/IsaacArthur/comments/11kp7s4/how_large_of_a_heatradiator_would_a_spacecraft/
To run a data center in space you would need some kind of reactor producing around 100 MW. If rejecting 100 MW at 800 K
A= 100,000,000 / 0.85×5.670374419e−8×800
The number is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant (σ) https://physics.knox.edu/OnlineHW/zTest-PhysicalConstants.html
A≈5,065 m²
So roughly:
5,100 m² of radiating surface
That is a square about:
√(5065) ≈71 m per side
If it is a double-sided radiator panel, the physical panel area could be about half:
2,530 m² of panel, about 50 m × 50 m, assuming both sides radiate effectively.
Also temperature matters enormously so
At emissivity 0.85:
Radiator temp Area for 100 MW 300 K ~256,000 m² 500 K ~33,200 m² 800 K ~5,100 m² So the answer is about 5,000 m² (lol this is like “a football field” on each side) at 800 K, but balloons to absurd levels like hundreds of thousands of m² if you are trying to dump room-temperature waste heat which there would be a significant amount of. That is for a single small data center at current power needs. In the US alone data centers use 176 TWh (https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48646), so there is no chance we are going to be migrating a significant portion of it into space.
Soon, pension funds and 401(k)s are going to feature SpaceX stocks.
Not mine. I’m selling my NASDAQ index fund next week. Thankfully the S&P said no.
This is probably the single most important thing we plebs can do.
Jesus Christ thank you for reminding me to confirm I keep his shit as far away from my pension as possible. Thankfully I’m in Canada so I feel there’s a hope
Narrator: He was wrong.
Disagree with my pension and my RRSP I do have options for how I want to distribute my investments for example focusing on Canada or Europe or BRIC for investments or even dumping your money into a less risky but more stable money market. They’re pretty diverse now.
Other guys comment, and the note about pension funds, is more about how things like the CPP will invest in SpaceX – as will many ETF/bundled type ‘funds’ that people use. Things practically outside your control.
Yes, you and others can invest your personal wealth into whatever you want. But your gov old age stuff will invest into stuff like SpaceX regardless, and be exposed to potential risks should things collapse catastrophically.
CPP is mandated to make a set return for the Canadian people and it’s pretty loose on now they do that. I agree it’s concerning them looking at morally questionable companies but money wants to make money and I would argue Canadians care more about having money for their retirement than they do the companies they’re investing in.
Case in point since Trump 45 we should have been collectively divesting in America yes we haven’t. American companies even hostile ones still have a huge economic edge. I expect the CPP to be pragmatic and not invest based on their morals all the time. That makes for bad finances. Sucks but sadly this is the world.
So the narrator was correct?
For all his false promises: https://elonmusk.today/
Looks like the webmaster (do people still use that word?) is asleep at the wheel there.
Last update 266 days ago.
Good point
FPO: future promise offering
Elon musk also made seemingly impossible promises for Tesla and their stock price, and he exceeded them.
He didn’t deliver on any promise except the stock price itself that’s pumped up by lies and idiots believing in it.
nice. i love seeing fElon companies doing badly!
Initial price was $135. Then it climbed to $210ish. Now $185.
Pretty regular stuff for a new IPO meme stock. Don’t go on the ride if you don’t like the speed.
There is literally nothing but hope behind the valuation. Same as Tesla. Just dreams and hopes.
Hopes and dreams are a good thing, that we should all have. I want to buy the claims Musk is selling: he seems to be the only one actually selling a future and I want hope and dreams for a better tomorrow. And he has delivered, even if not exactly what he said exactly when he said it.
I understand musk is not an engineer, I understand some of his founder credits might be exaggerated. But his ability to weave an inspired vision, willingness to pay for it, ability to inspire others toward it, does deserve a lot of credit for the growth and success of both Tesla and SpaceX.
Then his dark side came out into the open … and I still want the vision pushed by Tesla and SpaceX
I dont know. To me he is intelligent but he lacks empathy and kindness. He doesn’t care about people. He is that typical type of person that can figure shit out but you don’t want him running humanity, unless you like dystopia.
And yet that was one of the things I used to like - like an engineer he is able to talk in technical details, focus on minutiae, but lacks social skills. Perhaps a nod toward autism. As an engineer, that personality spoke to me.
It’s only after people started worshipping him that he hallucinated having social skills or really any talent outside speaking of technology. That’s one person who should have stayed in his shell.
He was always reputed to be hell to work for also, so it’s not like I ever was tempted toward that
Yeah I think that intelligence combined with autism means he will always work very hard, because he enjoys it. But he lacks self awareness and he doesn’t understand that technology is not what creates a better world. We used to think that before big tech. Now we see how horrible it becomes.
I want to buy the claims Musk is selling: he seems to be the only one actually selling a future and I want hope and dreams for a better tomorrow.
he is selling a future, but not nearly a good one.
when the musk future comes, don’t cry for how the reality ended up, but eat the shit with a smile on your face.
I will happily live in an era of electric vehicles, cheap and easy access to space and all the modern functionality that brings, affordable satellite connectivity. I will happily live in a world where even the buggest trucks can keep up speed while fully loaded iPhone, without polluting, without noise. I will happily choose a vehicle whose trip planning optimizes route and duration, automatically planning chargers as needed. I will happily live in a world where my vehicle, thermostat and home power storage can participate in a “virtual power plant” with intelligent time shifting
Both Tesla and SpaceX has produced a lot of stuff, some of it pretty good. But yeah, their stock price are bit out there.
90% of SpaceXs assets are in AI Datacenters that are running grok, I wouldn’t call that any good stuff, even in terms of AI. Apart from that they grifted a lot of money from the US government to produce rockets that are worse than what NASA could have delivered with the money.
The only “good” thing spaceX made is Starlink, which has about 12 million subscribers and brings in a revenue of 11 billion each year, with about 4 billion in profits. That’s nothing compared to big network companies.
Wow, no. Look at what nasa is producing with Artemis. Business as usual is $2B/launch, way over budget, and years behind schedule. There is no path to launch more than 1-2/year and they depend on reusing old components with very limited supply.
In contrast Falcon 9 cost nasa less than one Artemis launch has an unmatched record of reliability, drastically reduced launch costs, made reusability practical, and has earned its place launching 80% (by mass) of the world’s payload to orbit. Nothing matches its record
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, but you’re right. SpaceX made a lot of advancements on its rockets and in lowering the price per launch.
This is objective. This isn’t sentimental or arguable.
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Stock prices shouldn’t be volatile based on tweets lol
Why not?
because people’s future (and even present) financial safety depends on it. the stock market is used for dead serious things, its not supposed to be a meme market.
(gestures at headline)
That’s not true, it’s betting on American corruption…which is a pretty good bet.
Yup.
I, like you, am expecting this to be a monumental failure, but this shit’s normal.
Art of the deal.
I hope every Nazi piece of shit with money in this ends up destitute as fuck.
They’re making an exception to put it into index funds more quickly than is ordinarily allowed, so a lot of normal people might end up holding it too…
That is a great point.
The SP500 refused to allow SpaceX in on an accelerated schedule, so its usually vetting process would still apply (12 months of public trading, positive earnings for a period of time, etc).
So right now, SP500 is one index fund that isn’t taking a risk on SpaceX, which I, in my tiny knowledge of stocks and finance, appreciate.
If you have a pension plan, you will have money in this, too.
Lucky for me, I fall into the ~40% of people too poor to have investments. But even if I did have money to invest, I wouldn’t fling it blindly where it could be going towards harming the planet.
I don’t think you’ve misunderstood what I’m trying to say.
People with an IRA don’t have control of what the fund is invested into. The fund itself is invested into funds that track the top 100. Therefore, anybody with a generic pension plan is invested into SpaceX, whether they like it or not.
No, I understand. I’m saying I give zero shits about those people taking losses. If you have excess, and you’re expecting to be given more because of your excess, you’re just as culpable in Nazi bullshit when your money ends up invested in it. I don’t care if it requires more personal attention, it’s possible to have your money invested where it will do good, not where it will gain you the largest return at the expense of the planet.
…you do realize that pensions and 401K’s are what companies replaced actually paying their retired workers a living wage with so that they both didn’t have to pay retirees and to forcibly inflate their own wealth with the wages of their workers, right?
If you work for a big enough company that they provide either of those two, a certain percentage of what you make every week is taken by the company and put into the stock market via index funds (like the NASDAQ, which nows invests your money into SpaceX) and sometimes their own stock without you ever having any say in the matter. It’s not “excess”, it’s wage theft.
If you’re investing in SpaceX directly, that’s one thing and you deserve what you’re going to get just like the people buying Teslas. But there’s very little difference between this and billionaire bailouts on your tax dollars.
Having a pension is excess?!
It is if you’re still a highschool kid who thinks 50$ is a lot of money.
xAI buried inside SpaceX wasn’t enough to make them uncomfortable?
It’s a fucking meme, for “tech bros”. Apart from anything else how can lose more than most stocks are worth, and still have a share value of more than many, even most, stocks?
It’s worse than that… what they IPO with is basically a tiny percentage of SpaceX composed solely of xAI
The entire stock market is basically 99.9% blind speculation and 0.1% basic math, which is why it rarely makes sense
It’s not even a surprise, this is from SpaceX s-1 document: only 7% of their estimated valuation is from Space related activities
Is “Enterprise Applications” like shooting datacenters into space, or copilot business edition?
I think the “Space-Enabled Solutions” part sounds more like designing satellites than the space-launch business.They bought Cursor for AI. Earlier this year cursor switched to pay per use model, so now every engineer is spending dozens to hundreds of AI Bucks. I don’t think Cursor is profitable on that yet, but I imagine xAI are looking to scale that model, both to turn Grok into something that earns an income, and to scale up to profit despite cost of datacenters/training.
I’m skeptical there is really a profitable market, but it might be the most grounded of his predictions. The technology exists, the business model is successful at a small scale, so they just need to scale
The technology exists, the business model is successful at a small scale, so they just need to scale
could you provide details on that?
You could probably research the company but from my direct experience
- Cursor is one of the stronger contenders for coding - bringing a variety of models to tools where coders are.
- Cursor switched to pay per use, significantly increasing costs and didn’t lose customers
- cursor charged more for higher end models and didn’t lose customers
- grok is not currently there, or at least not what I can see, so is a huge gap from an xAI perspective
- it seems good enough business model to business people to be worth a huge purchase
Once grok is added to Cursor, I will just have it, along with a variety of other models, and can simply choose it based on cost and effectiveness. It may even be chosen for me since I usually leave it in automatic, and my company is a paying customer where each engineer spends a budget
Also it’s more like a subscription. Software companies love a subscription model with regular income, rather than selling something you pay for once
That’s what I was referencing, I’m surprised the regulators and the exchange let that happen
You are surprised that the people doing this during Occupy Wall Street are allowing this?
Who is that
One of several people standing on a balcony overlooking an Occupy Wall Street protest in 2011. This woman specifically was at the time believed to be an employee of National Bank but I don’t know if they were ever identified individually.
It disturbs me that my first thought was “facial recognition exists now”.
This timeline is cursed
there are no rules anymore man… they just change them to rig the game in plain light… no ill consequences for the rich
The entire stock market is basically 99.9% blind speculation and 0.1% basic math
The US, England, and Japan are all returning to quantitative easing policy. So we’ve once again got too much money chasing too few investments. What a lot of naive investors see as a market bubble is recognized among the more savvy as a return to our ongoing policy of asset inflation.
A lot of what SpaceX is selling boils down to an access point to public spending - through sale of military hardware and equipment, network access to Starlink, and R&D funds allocated to the private sector. That’s what is really driving investment. It is, in effect, a play on the future of police and military spending.
Still wildly overvalued imho. But not “blind” speculation.
So we’ve once again got too much money chasing too few investments.
maybe it’s time to redistribute that too much money. lets free them from their burden.
Can’t do that. That’s Communism. Communism Killed 10 Trillion People.
The corporate governance arrangements (or lack thereof) should be enough to make any investor with two functioning brain cells stay well clear. But the stock market has lost all touch with reality long ago. The crash will be brutal. And small investors will hold the bag, as per standard procedure.
Ahahahaha, I really hope someone ate their lunch on this wonderful stock
