I never thought I’d see the day when China started to look more inclined to allow free speech than the US. Yet, here we are.
You never thought the country which bombs other countries and kidnaps their presidents would become more restrictive/authoritarian than the one which generally doesn’t?
Seems pretty predictable to me idk. People are so steeped in American exceptionalism mythology.
I know, what China did to Tibet was so wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gedhun_Choekyi_Nyima
Edit: oh you were talking about the US. Yes they have also kidnapped leaders and attacked other nations just like China has.
You had to reach back to 1995.
I can reach back to last week.
The point stands, sorry Sinophobe.
China has killed more of it own citizens than the US, please keep apologizing for China.
At least we can both agree the US sucks.
Edit: calling me a sinophobe about a fact just shows you act like a fucking asshole btw.
[citation needed], don’t forget to include the Civil War in the US’s figures. Let’s also go “per capita” to make it fair.
It wasn’t “about a fact”, it was about your framing of the fact. “Yeah China did this 30 fucking years ago while America has never stopped doing this over the last 30 years, these two entities are equivalent!” It’s less bad when white people do it, right?
I’m not pro-CCP for the record. I’m just realistic about my criticisms, like their restrictive social measures. There is zero doubt they are vastly less of an international menace than the United States.
Don’t bother, he likes to eat his propaganda by the spoonful. China kills 100000000000000000000000000x 10*9 yogurts every minute, etc. Every accusation is an admission of guilt, what they blame China is exactly what the USA has done, still does, and will do
I have had many candid interactions with real Chinese citizens.
A lot of them have a deep understand of the blood that has been shed and the ethics required to maintain a functioning society. And it’s this ethical and historical understand that leads their quality of life advancements.
Current day China is objectively better than current day US.
We are not even close
Debatable. The UK is already there, followed very closely by Australia, and then the US.
Chinese governments like speech that is friendly to China. US governments like speech that is friendly to the US.
We call it censorship when a government censors self-criticism, but a big part of that calculation hinges on how much criticism a government is subjected to at any given moment.
If you’re seeing a lot of Chinese criticism - and a lot of second-order “China is censoring the criticism!” stories - that’s more often the result of a national media push to divorce the US public and economy from China. If you’re seeing a lot of US self-criticism and resulting domestic government backlash, that’s more often the result of a divided US populace that’s lost sight of it’s Overseas Enemy Cold War fixation.
The day Trump leaves office, you’re going to see a tidal wave of “China Bad!” articles slam into your news feed, like the Red Sea after Moses squeezes it shut again. Then we won’t see “US censorship!” hand-wringing until the political scene starts polarizing again.
if your reporting it, it’s already too late
The 2nd amendment has failed
Anyone who’s been chucked off Reddit knows we’re already there.
slow your roll.
getting kicked off Reddit, a private entity, is not a violation of your free speech.
having FBI agents show up at your door asking threatening questions about your Reddit history is.
Facebook, twitter, YouTube, Google Search, and Amazon Books accepted a vast quantity of secret, backdoor censorship “requests” from the US government, mostly during Biden’s administration. Facebook had a private web portal for requests and bragged about handling millions of requests per year. Private emails with Mark Zuckerberg lament that they have been processing requests that are very clear free speech, and are not even misinformation, such as statements of opinion. Facebook in particular, closed this portal before Trump took office. Reddit is not named in this document but I am personally certain they took similar requests.
Committee on the Judiciary and the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government
You realize you’re citing the absolute most insane fascists right now, right? What you’re saying is likely true, but that document is about the furthest possible thing from a credible source.
your point being?
just because there are insane people doing insane things that break the law doesn’t mean anything. they can blur the lines all they want but at the end of the day banning or silencing people on a privately owned platform does not violate constitutional rights.
and if Reddit is silencing voices based on requests from the federal government, that still amounts to Reddit executing their rights as a private platform. they have the right to refuse the request based on the constitutional crisis.
it only becomes a violation of your rights when you can prove the government attacked your right to free speech. anything less is just hearsay.
Reddit is a community of millions, and I can no longer talk there because they do not like my politics. It is not illegal to do this, I agree entirely. This is not a violation of the constitution. I am not even an American.
But it is a violation of my ability to speak freely, inflicted by a billionaire because he is politically allied with Israel.
The places we treat like public agoras in the modern day are controlled by private citizens, based entirely on their wealth. Zuck, spez, Ellison, Musk, and a few more; these handful of white men control who is allowed to interact in the defacto public arenas of the internet.
Sure, I can come here, and this is exactly why Lemmy and all the other forums of the Fediverse were made. I hope this gets big.
But right now, what opinions and ideas the vast majority of people are exposed to are quietly being limited, so quietly they mostly don’t know.
Is that good? Should I shrug and say “Oh well, it’s a billionaire, not the government, so it’s okay that they have all this power.”?
You are failing to draw a distinction between the 1st amendment and the concept of free speech.
There is no single “concept” of free speech.
Smokescreen. My point is that whatever “free speech” means, it’s not limited to the scope of what’s protected by the US Constitution.
But this is about US companies and US law, not hypothetical philosophy.
No it isn’t. It’s about Reddit. Read up the chain.
Yeah Reddit the private US company that is not beholden to preserving your free speech. That’s the context. Are you functionally illiterate and cannot infer the meaning unless explicitly stated?
I got shadow banned on Reddit for Luigi support and I just got shadow banned on facebook for Albania support this week.
Who bans for Albania support? Wtf did you say?
I got my ability to comment back today. I didn’t get any notifications but I was on all the Albania feeds saying stuff like…✊🏼🇦🇱Albania saving the world, ✊🏼🇦🇱we need a global revolution. Make the guillotine great again! Ect
Albania eh? I see the Wag The Dog timeline is in full swing.
If it’s not the government the. it’s big tech. You can’t even
fuckfrick online anymore.would require users to disclose personal information before accessing lawful speech online
That’s a relief, as I fully intend to break whatever law it is and continue discussions with you gentlefolk unlawfully.
Genuinely, when online ID starts being rolled out, I will no longer be an inside person. I will just have to do woodworking, mechanical, or literally anything else. I refuse to partake in such stupidity.
We will still have centralized/defederated platforms that won’t comply, mesh networks and protocols like i2p but I can absolutely understand wanting out.
Same here. I might end up spending a good chunk of my free time at the local park with a chess board and a music player with two sets of headphones, inviting strangers to play, listen and chat. If they take away my ability to broadcast shitposts and critique of the regime on the internet, I’ll dedicate myself to individually turning my neighbors into angry leftists one long afternoon at a time.
Like, there are other, better ways to get involved, yes; but I’m talking about how I spend my free time, what I do for shits and giggles. This is normally filled with video games and internet shitposting, and so help me the last thing this government wants to do is give more people like me, more free time.
I’ll pitch in. I saw this coming in 2023, sold a lot of PC hardware and pivoted to Cameras and bought some hard drives to fill up with media, and I’ve done tons of hiking, almost every trail on my side of my state and some that aren’t. Picked up pipesmoking, made some buddies there in that community, branched away from the hustle and bustle, started a massive ebook collection and I’ve read anything I can find that doesn’t start with “Nutrition Facts”.
If anyone is worried about the internet, now ain’t the time to worry, now’s the time to get moving and get done what you need done before the gate closes for good.
“we lost?”
Like a piss in the wind, there wasn’t even a fight.
I mean you could shitpost from the park while you wait for someone to play too
not if I have to give someone my ID to shitpost, I’m not
Dude it’s the park. Play chess with each other’s identity as the pot, and you sign in under the loser’s ID if you win
I’m afraid I don’t like to live that dangerously/I’m not that good at chess
The Internet inherently routes around malfunctioning network segments.
Any law like those mentioned will be used to legitimize selective enforcement, only against those who upset the wrong important person.
Stay anonymous and locked down, don’t comment from your point of origin. Don’t use corporate services.
Don’t use corporate services.
The vast majority of the ethernet, cable, and fiber that connects people is owned by a corporation.
I hate this argument because it misses the bigger point that the infrastructure of the internet is not publicly owned but is privately owned by corporations.
Build community LANs that aren’t connected to the internet. Use sneakernets to share information via USB. Use encrypted LoRa for messaging among community members.
Yes, I see a future of two “internets”. One corporate and another for the people. The People’s Internet will be deemed illegal and hunted down. Seems like there’s a movie there somewhere…
A move with a lot of “I’m in”.
HACK THE PLANET!!!
We need an Internet 2.0 invite only. no bots, governments, or companies allowed.
So, like onion?
Onion is good, but it isn’t stopping corporations or bots. It just reroutes traffic and tries to make every user look the same. Onion on top of public infrastructure would be nice.
Meshtastic is not a good type of infrastructure for these kind of workloads though… and I don’t see how we’re going to lay lines as a community, unless it’s sponsored by the government via taxes. What would be the best way to kickstart a network like the Internet, but separate from it?
Edit: Guifi.net is interesting.
Guifi.net is a massive, citizen-driven community telecommunications network primarily based in Spain. Operating as a shared resource, it allows volunteers, local businesses, and municipalities to pool infrastructure and build a free, open, and neutral network outside traditional commercial ISPs.
How it Works
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The Commons Model: Participants agree to the Compact for a Free, Open, and Neutral Network (FONN). You build or connect a node to share connectivity; in return, you get access to the broader mesh network. [1, 2, 3, 4]
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Infrastructure: The network relies heavily on point-to-point wireless links, but also includes widespread fiber optic deployments. [1]
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The Foundation: The Guifi.net Foundation provides governance tools, manages critical infrastructure, and ensures legal operation as a registered telecommunications operator. [1]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guifi.net
[2] https://www.apc.org/en/guifinet
[3] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1389128615003436
[4] https://www.reddit.com/r/Barcelona/comments/2is9gf/do_you_guys_know_the_free_wifi_mesh_network/
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The People’s Internet!
…with blackjack and hookers…?
Start downloading and stockpiling all the porn you can!
Way ahead of you
If that headline is true, it’s allresdy too late
Dude you’re already fucked. Have been for decades at this point.
Well, too bad; Donny is good at bad deals.
I guess Heinlein was like armed society is Luigi society or something
They may make their law, but can they enforce it?
Why is American internal politics in my technology feed?
We learned about censorship efforts in the UK, EU, Australia and Canada, bud. None of us had a conniption over it.
Why, as an American, do I have to navigate an internet full of pop ups designed to make sites GDPR compliant?
Because US advertisers lobbied hard for it. The original proposal was a single Do Not Track browser setting.
I really need to have a Cookie setting agent just to say, “don’t track me or use bare essential cookies;” it’s annoying. I just want them to use bare essentials, then let me opt in for features. But no, “sell, sell, sell” (our user data, whatever is similar to previous user searches, etc.) 🤢
There is a Firefox extension to do exactly that.
I have a news for you, this isn’t just American internal politics. Surveillance capitalism is happening across the world. There are those pushing for chat control in the EU and UK is starting to do the same and contracted Palantir to manage the NHS data.
I am well aware they have a presence here as well, but the article is discussing specific US Federal bills, not the market moves or the tech they would be using.
Imagine if each EU member state would be doing the same in this community.
You know the expression: when America sneezes, everyone catches the cold.
The American tech giants, which are tied to the government because of military and surveillance contracts, despise EU regulations. The US Department of Defense strategy already deemed Europe to be a bigger threat than China and Russia. The American tech companies are also lobbying the EU to loosen the digital privacy laws and regulations. So it helps to keep tab once in a while of American politics.
Imagine if each EU member state would be doing the same in this community.
they probably should, it’s a good idea to keep people informed that their rights are being stripped away and they are slowly being enslaved by corpofascists.
You are aware there is a worldnews community right?
you are aware I know you’re just trolling, right?
Yup, to tune their sales on your likes, preferences, and predicted wallet size.
They ruin everything, macro and micro
I am not American. I don’t want to hear about your internal politics. I have already enough work activating for the EU ones.
“They”. I am not american, by the grace of god.
Yeah, good for us
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