I despise AI, however, religious exceptions for work are stupid.
Go to work for your church/mosque/temple if it’s that important for you.
If you’re a Christian, live like a bird in the field, like Jesus says. Go pick through the garbage can and be content in your righteousness. You’re reward isn’t earthly, but in Heaven, right?
Also it usually it’s just ok for their approved religions, anything else you are being stubborn
I’m not religious but I feel like people should have a right to take their annual leave for their religious holidays, yeah?
People should be able to take annual leave for whatever they want, provided contractual agreements and sufficient advance notice. I don’t understand how any of it needs to do with religion.
Trying to start a long, boring conversation about ethics has worked so far to keep people from forcing their slop machines on me, but it’s nice to know there are options
Now you can do both!
thank god.
“You can now get an exemption” is a huge overstatement.
Someone in North Carolina asked for it and happened to get it from her employer. That does not provide any firm basis for anyone else to follow. Any of us could have tried this last month with the same odds we have now.
“I’m a Butlerian.”
But did you type that on your thinking machine?
I’m pretty sure that in Dune, all computers are banned, not just AI. You can’t even have a ship with a navigation computer.
the golden path
This is something that The Satanic Temple needs to get on board with.
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AI Satan just lacks the soul of regular Satan, you know what I mean?
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FWIW, The Satanic Temple is different from The Church of Satan and/or the Satanic Church. To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
AI Satan does sound horrendously hellish, though. “You’re correct, and you are absolutely right to call me out on it! I can see now how submerging you in searing hot lye would be unpleasant, especially after you begged me to stop! Here, let me try again, this time paying extra attention to not submerging you in searing hot lye.” <Proceeds to submerge you in searing hot lye>
To start with, we don’t believe in Satan.
Neither does the Church of Satan, to be fair.
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Not quite. They’re both Satanic churches. TST is more activist and fights for the rights of Satanists in court.
There’s a good breakdown of the differences here.
This sounds like the plot of a Futurama episode.
"You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel ANGRY!"
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There is already essentially an AI-Satan cult. They’re called the Rationalists. Unlike your average Satanist, however, they are very irrational, nearly theistic, and exert a lot of control over Silicon Valley.
And then there’s their offshoot, the Zizians, which are even crazier. The episodes of Behind the Bastards covering them were wild
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The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
tl;dr:
Maus is a Unitarian Universalist, a pluralistic religion that’s rooted in the inherent worth of every person. In April, she argued that AI didn’t align with her religious beliefs, citing environmental and ethical concerns.
Just so you know which religion to convert to.
There were already 100 reasons why the Unitarians are where it’s at.
But I really don’t think this is reason 101. All we have here is someone who asked their employer for this and was fortunate enough to have it granted.
That means nothing for anyone else. There is not some national law that all Unitarians have this protected right now.
So yeah… you might as well try on grounds that it offends Allah, because you’ll have the same odds.
Oh, good. One of the few religions that isn’t predicated on making all non-members lives miserable.
I mean, hypothetically couldn’t you just pick any belief structure outside of the top ten and make shit up? I’m a card carrying member of The Satanic Temple (which also puts an emphasis on human worth and social conscience) and I feel like I could swing this.
Wow, you actually got your card?
They made no promises, but I sent my $20, never saw my card and that’s fine.
When I was 12 I wanted to buy the cert for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. My parents weren’t cool enough.
The goat ate it
I think you can literally purchase a membership card on their site if you want.
I’m sure.
I’ve known some cool unitarians. The org can collect a lot of upper middle class white people, but it’s also the first place I really learned about LGBT rights in the 90s (I’m getting old) and other social justice stuff.
My UU ordained friend is a nonbinary activist who was in Minneapolis during the ICE shit.
The first time I went to a UU service, I was invited to a rationalist group that meets there.
It’s all of the good things about religion (ie - community. People who will meal train for you when you are in trouble, people who will teach your kids good shit) without much of the baggage.
I’m personally going to start attending either a UU or a really loosely Methodist group just for the social aspect. I think one of the failures of atheism is the lack of acknowledgment of the benefits of community and ritual. There’s not enough “third places” in the world, and churches can fill that roll quite well. Perhaps this is just my own recent near death experience speaking, but it’s good to have a community that cares about you.
Unseen University?
I’m out of the loop now, but when I was younger there was a weird divide between the youth/young adult stuff, and adult.
The adult stuff was a lot of traditional “sit and listen to a talk”.
The youth was a lot more hand on, interactive. “Let’s start a bonfire, write down our fears, and throw them into it”. “We got people from the community to teach how to make instruments out of junk”.
I really liked it when I was younger, and met a lot of kids who were very cool.
Maybe I should see what’s on offer around here. I don’t want to go to a “service” but I miss the community sometimes.
On a tour of our state’s gay friendly churches (a work project) I met a unitarian universalist minister who was openly atheist, his congregation had no problem with it. That was a very weird but cool convo.
I’ve learnt about the UU not that long ago and I’m getting into with much fondness. To me it’s one of the only paths if you’re a Christian-based perennialist who believes in the existence of God and follows the teachings of the prophet Jesus but rejects the bible. Basically it’s only Unitarians or non-denominational Chrisians.
perennialist
a school of thought in philosophy and spirituality that posits that the recurrence of common themes across world religions illuminates universal truths about the nature of reality, humanity, ethics, and consciousness.
Interesting.
follows the teachings of the prophet Jesus but rejects the bible.
I feel you. I mean Paulus? Once you realize what he was about it’s not hard to see the rest of the whole book in a similar light. Not to mention the “holy” people who decided what went in it at all.
I once admitted that much to some Jehovah’s Witnesses that came to my door. They completely misunderstood my statement, thought they had their hooks in me. They were relentless and started showing up much more often. Lesson learned: never engage with them.
Amish or Rastafarian should pass as well.
How about Pastafarian though?
Amish
That was my first thought before even reading! OTOH they would probably oppose working with computers at all?
As someone who lives near an Amish community, the amount of them I see in Walmart on cellphones tells me they’ve got at least enough loopholes to be shopping in Walmart with a cellphone, so “working with computers” is probably perfectly fine.
…or you go straight to hell. IDK.
What’s Amish Hell like?🤔
Neverending Rumspringa
Cathar too.
Maybe even jain. But i know too little about ita actual doctrins to say anything specific about it
Maybe I am religious…
In a country where most states are fire-at-will. You don’t have the cultural integrity to effectively use something like this.
Guys I think I just found religion.
Join the Satanic Temple or some Humanist org or something. For some reason people lose their minds if your religion is just “none”, but are at least more ok with it being something, even if the something had only one tenet and that was “none”.
It’s because they can understand a difference of philosophy or beliefs but cannot comprehend a total rejection of the concept of belief. It’s too alien to a central aspect of their identity and challenges their perceived connection to existence.
Source: I’ve been making people uncomfortable by being openly hostile to religion for a long time.
I’m an atheist who joined a UU church (the religion being discussed in the article) this past January and I’ve loved it, I’m actually not at all surprised this sort of thing is coming out of UU
Are you guys trying to get religion banned?
If you could ban religion, or ban AI, which would you ban?
If you ban religion AI will become people’s God. So that is really not an option.
Religion has caused so much suffering though.
A blanket ban on AI seems extreme, perhaps banning commercialization would be the way to go so no one can try and profit from it. Obviously corporations would not like this idea.
If you ban religion AI will become people’s God.
Say more here. It’s an interesting claim. Why do you see this as inevitable? I’m an atheist and AI has not become my god.
Well, I am just basing it off the fact that a bunch of people are already using AI in this fashion. Without something to fill this gap I think AI would be a likely candidate.
https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/silicon-valleys-obsession-with-ai-looks-a-lot-like-religion/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Way_of_the_Future
It has already become common for existing religions to use AI to answer spiritual questions and preachers have started using it to write sermons.
I think cutting people off of traditional religion would accelerated this AI god concept. This is just my opinion of course.
@Doomsider @stickyprimer people are going to make AI into a religion regardless. We did it with books when they were first invented.
You say that like it’s a bad thing
At this point, I feel like religion >> blind corporate loyalty. At least religion still pretends to care about people
It might help.
Time for the Universal Life Church to step in.
As an ordained minister (and fully-paid Saint), would highly approve.
How about an atheist exemption?
Would be nice if philosophical stances were treated equal to religious ones, so if something is against your philosophical stances you could get the same exemption a religious person could.
Try it. All we have here is someone with a very accommodating employer. It’s not like all Unitarians everywhere now have some court judgment backing them.
You can be an atheist and a member of a universalist Unitarian church, I am exactly that
or just let people opt out entirely flat out?
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How about a mental health exemption? AI is shown to be hazardous to mental health.
That’s it, I’m converting to Mechanicus. Abominable Intelligence is techno-heresy, Ave Omnissiah!
I’m somewhat of a transhumanist and even I think generative AI is an abomination. I want the real thing. Artificial sapient life.
we can barely get sapient life mastered.
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
