There’s a lot of people on the Mozilla hate train, and they do deserve a bit of ire for some of their more puzzling decisions. All I wanted from Firefox was a configurable browser with sane defaults, that lets me block ads and does all the normal browser things without being a total black box of corporate telemetry and profiling. To a large degree Firefox has been the best mainstream browser for people who can’t dance with the devil and use Chrome. In many aspects, it has made better decisions than Chrome.
With that said, I didn’t want Pocket, I didn’t want AI, and I’m mildly annoyed that this sort of thing is in the default build. It feels like a windows installer asking you to install 10 additional programs, but the ticked boxes are greyed out. I just want a browser, no crypto wallets, no ai assistants, no built-in mail client, no biometric scanning.
Firefox has been around long enough to have been both god tier and trash tier at different points. I don’t think the AI focus is going to go well for Mozilla. I’d like them to focus on browser stuff.
I had an ad in my Firefox settings for “Solo AI Website Creator”. It’s a product from Mozilla for using AI to build your website. Note that it’s not open source, and you must rely on them to host your website (no export functionality, and recurring fees outside a basic free tier).
I agree with you, I wish Mozilla would focus solely on their mission instead of trying to build all these side projects people don’t want.
I meeeean…. I kinda agree with you, but where exactly do you expect funding to come from? “Focus only on the browser. That they make no money off. Also stop accepting money from Google.”
Like I get it to an extent, it would be nice. But how exactly is “make no money” a viable business plan?
That’s fair. I wouldn’t reject money from Google but instead build up an endowment with it for when it eventually disappears. If you can recover your market share (maybe by investing in your browser - the peformance is lagging) then you can also demand more money from Google to set them as default. Finally, Mozilla is a non-profit and I wouldn’t be opposed to them just asking for donations, like most non-profits.
I just want a browser, no crypto wallets, no ai assistants, no built-in mail client, no biometric scanning.
3 out of those 4 are not even a thing in firefox
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What’s up with the AI slop image for this post?
Also, Mozilla is destroying Firefox by themselves, they don’t need help from m$
Downvoting for unsolicited AI slop on my feed.
It would’ve been cool if they used Blender for the lil’ guy. 🥺
Mozilla are perfectly capable of sabotaging themselves, thank you.
The original article mentions the sabotaging only as historical evidence for a trend of pushing its tech onto people. It is not saying Microsoft is currently doing it specifically to sabotage anyone. Bullshit title.
The original article also mentions several things as fact that are not, and omits other facts, but that’s a different discussion.
Given the image,i wouldn’t be at all surprised if the article were just AI
Was the image generated with copilot?
firefox really shouldnt be our only line of defence for decent browser…
Did they also force them to kill MDN, buy pocket, or funnel 99% of the foundation’s budget on everything that’s not Firefox?
Edit: fact checked myself and the budget part is completely incorrect. The foundation just leeches on the corporation through yearly royalties.
What’s this about killing MDN?
In 2020 they fired the entire MDN writing team, slashed the budget, and basically left it in maintainance mode. The same year the foundation decided to drop millions on teaching Africans to code or some shit…
The same year the foundation decided to drop millions on teaching Africans to code or some shit
this would be a very good use of money, if the money actually reached the target audience
I’ve got no issues with helping people in need, but even if it’s not an embezzlement scheme, this is extremely bad prioritization unless their priority is publicity.
MDN is a proven resource that’s helped a lot of people learn to code. How many African translators can you hire for a milion a year, let alone like 8? How many more people would learn to code that way?l
But nah, let’s feed money into “partners” that use some experimental teaching methods, while destroying a crucial learning resource because corona made us broke.
Edit: fact checked myself and the corp killed MDN, and they’re paying the foundation to do projects like this through royalties.
Thundermail seems cool at least, as an encrypted email service.
Thundermail seems cool at least
Thunder* is developed by a separate corporation, they’re just both subsidiaries of the mozilla foundation. Also mzla is pretty much financially independent due to individual donations.
https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/10/state-of-the-bird-2024-25/
as an encrypted email service.
You can send e2ee emails with thunderbird.
The only thing destroying Firefox is Mozilla themselves.
too drunk on that google money.
Firefox makes a good fork base anyway
When Windows lets me make Dolphin the default file manager I’ll believe they don’t have a right to force people to use whatever product they wish.
Not fair! Mozilla can self-sabotage without the help of Microslop, thank you very much!
Microsoft hasn’t done anything wrong. Windows is a proprietary software and they can do whatever they want
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antitrust legislation exists
Well, it did once, but it was taken out back and executed quite a while ago. Now it is just “Weekend at Bernie’s” time, see Antitrust is right there points to corpse sitting in a chair with a smile on its face
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There are, yes, I live in one. What ever happened to breaking up Micoslop?
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“You’re on my property, I’m allowed to shoot you here.”
While these “ethics” do exist, they’re extremely niche. So don’t pretend yours aren’t.
Alternatives exist.
If you use Windows, you agreed to the TOS.
Don’t use it if you don’t like it.
If you use Windows, you agreed to the TOS.
If your employer is forcing it on you, chances are you never even saw the TOS.
Personally, I don’t.
But not everyone is able to (for lack of awareness to alternatives, technical skills, software constraints, work requirements, vendor lock-in, …). Are those people unworthy of being protected from an evil company’s wrongdoing just because they’re using the “wrong” OS?
You’re basically arguing that corporations can do whatever they please “on their own turf”. That’s not true as far as user rights, consumer protection and anti-trust laws are concerned. And it shouldn’t be.
Holy shit that image… we need to destroy AI I’m sick of this absolute garbage polluting the web
Almost as bad as people.
Yes, I agree. Join us over on fuck_AI
To join the circlejerk? No thanks.
Every time I come across a post with the biggest “we hate everything” energy, it is one of fuck_AI.
Even blatant misinformation gets upvoted and shared. As long as it attacks AI.
Same vibe as the anti-Bieber crowd back in the day.
Did you know that Fuck_AI has been harassing users, making alts to spam and harass people?
But they’re the good guys, telling others to kill themselves!
Why would I join a fuck AI sub that every day I login is just gonna be like fuck it I fuck AI that just sounds like a complete mental drain no thank you.
because fuck “AI”.
ya no shit fuck ai, but I don’t need to subject myself to that every time I log in to here, get real dude, not all of us are here just to be angry all the time.
Fuck AI
This is indeed a disturbing universe.
Image? The entire site feels ai guided.
The image isn’t even used in the article, 100% it’s a ragebait tactic for clicks.
It has been right add the top of the page, it looks like they changed it.
Here’s the original article from Mozilla instead of this third-party AI slop regurgitating it.
