I know there are plenty of software missing from here. This is just a fun infographic I made, no need to take it seriously :)

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    Pretty sure banks have a pretty good track record of “keeping your money safe”. Why the fork would anybody trust banks to keep their money safe if they can’t keep your money safe?

    I don’t really understand why that statement is even on there?

    Unless you mean to argue some anonimity point, which I could agree with considering e.g. Monero would be more anonymous than a bank.

    But safe? I’d say the bank is quite safe to store money.

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      Money in the bank can be seized and frozen for all sorts of reasons. If you’re in the USA, then police can charge your money with a crime even if you haven’t broken any laws. It’s safe until it’s not.

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        Doesn’t have to be in the bank either; if you’re traveling with your life savings in cash, then if you get pulled over cops are likely to seize that money. Just because fuck you, that’s why.

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        Can confirm. about 15 years ago, my bank account was frozen for 3 weeks for child-support enforcement. Only they weren’t talking about my kid or even me. Some dude in Florida with my same first and last name was a deadbeat dad. So they froze my account because apparently, he didn’t have a bank account or something.

        What’s super annoying about it is that we had different middle names, not even close to the same social security number, and not one person even contacted me before my bank account was frozen. I only found out because a check I wrote or something bounced. And I was like, WTF?

        I was finally able to talk to enough bank people to clear it up. But it took 3 weeks. I never got an apology for it either. And the fuckers did not refund my insufficient funds fee. I mean, it was only $15 bucks, and it would have cost me more than that in my time to get a refund, but still…

        So yeah, even here in the US, banks can suck.

    • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
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      Banks literally seize and freeze assets from people, e.g. Julian Assange.

      Banks have also a track record of seizing countries international reserves like Russia, Venezuela, Iran, etc…

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      Banks keeping your money safe depends on what country you live in and how much its government has regulated them and/or provided some sort of backup in the case of a run or the bank going out of business.

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      any bank that has the capacity to close your account without you explicitly requesting it should not be considered safe.

      fucking cip errors deleted my account

      whoever invented cip errors should be defenestrated at the earliest convenience

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      Well, unlike Bitcoin, Monero is actually anonymous, and sometimes you gotta make payments online.

      You can’t do it privately with your card.

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        Bitcoin’s Lightning Network has onion routing for privacy, like Tor.

        When Bitcoin had a bug that allowed some guy to give himself a bazillion bitcoin, it was detected and patched before he was able to sell them. When Monero encounters a similar bug, it will only be detectable by the price going down.

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          I’m not super knowledgeable on how anonymous such routing us, hence I avoid it.

          Don’t know why people bombarded you so much - the other side of total anonymity is that you really never know if anything got broken and someone earned off it.

          My suggestion, however, is to use Monero for payments, and not as a store of value.

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          Monero transactions consume orders of magnitude less energy than Bitcoin’s thanks to an ASIC-resistant algorithm

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      This is the correct initial reaction but given the extent to which the US monitors every single transaction everyone makes, it’s getting awful hard to manage the influx of feral hogs without having them streaming through your door.

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    where’s the shovel and double-ziplocs to bury your cash, silver, gold, platinum, and palladium? or the zippo to burn your prints off? get on my level, ho

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    I’ll go further than this and say that true security is where everybody has support enough to not want to steal your shit, hack you etc.

    Yeah corporations and governments are still a problem, for now, but both of the above parties would be far more secure if they did mutual aid, supported progrms to help the impoverished etc etc.

    Basically having a collective approach to security and not such a myopic individualistic one.

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      For starters, it’s open source. And I’m not too into the details, but the creator of Anubis even mentioned that they were interested in creating a non-javascript version for privacy.

      Google’s reCaptcha, to which Anubis is being compared to by OP, is obviously far less private. It’s just another mechanism of control and data harvesting for Google. One of the ways that they determine if you’re malicious/human or not is to check if you have a Google cookie in your browser and are signed in. Not to mention fingerprinting (hardware and software info), browsing data, AI training ironically enough (the fucking streetlights), etc etc.

      Anubis is relevant here because it is more private, among other things.

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    But you do know that Tor/VPN is not really privacy, nor security? It hides your IP, but that’s about it. If you still login, and give any information, and that could just be your “fingerprint” you are not anonymous…

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      Hopefully you don’t log in or give personal info to every website you use. Hiding your IP is still more private than not hiding it.

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        Do you know what your fingerprint is? And all the ways you are being tracked that is not about your IP?

        You do give personal info to every website you visit - with the exception of a very few, who respect your privacy. If you think you need to log in, to give personal info, then you are sadly misinformed.

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          Yep, I do know those things. There are other tools for that. Tor is still useful for doing what it does.

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      Encryption is a type of security, and Tor/VPNs encrypt your traffic. Accessing .onion sites over Tor is (at least in theory) more secure than accessing clearnet sites.

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        It’s also a shit product riding on marketing laurels from its past glory days, like Norton. It leaves pieces behind that can cause malware to come roaring back.

        It isn’t hard to just nuke a system or restore a backup people.

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    How is iCloud not secure or privacy focused? You make no sense with this list. iOS is insanely secure compared to stock android.

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        Anubis is so lightweight you’ll forget it’s there until you look at your hosting bill.

        I don’t know if they realize this is implying it’s onerously expensive, lol.

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          That amused me, too.

          I think it plays fine for the intended audience, though.

          For the folks looking into Anubis, that line plays well - because hosting costs are driven up by the kinds of spam bot visits that Anubis slows down.

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          What’s nuts is that what made Anubis’ author go down that path was Amazon Bot (I remember precisely because they are the bot that also blew up my logs and thus forced me to take action against LLM scrappers) and… a significant share of the Web is hosted on AWS. So… Amazon is actually probably MAKING money by scrapping, no matter how inefficiently. I already hated Amazon but this is even worst than I imagined. It’s probably not by design, to be fair, but it’s also probably not something they’ll invest into “fixing” as it’s making them money. What an absolute human centipede situation.

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    The hardest online privacy is not operating in a way that just links all your “private” activity because you logged in around enough places to link them together and at least one place somewhere can be linked to your real identity

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      Yes and no. It’s certainly better than stock android. You won’t find anyone who says otherwise. But it creates unnecessary dependancies on apple’s ecosystem and Apple can’t be trusted. Nothing with shareholders can be trusted. Apple might be an ally today but they are a US based-company operating within the confines of what the US will let it do.

      All their cloud services are pretty poorly protected too. Every year or so me and my friends will find Chinese gibberish entries in our calendars that link to phishing sites. These get cleaned up eventually but it proves that Apple is lying about not being able to access your shit.

      I’m planning my exodus from the Apple ecosystem and looking at grapheneOS but I’m still in the skeptic stage. I have lots of cloud decoupling to do and my self hosting ambitions are big so at the moment my iPhone isnt the biggest priority to change out.

      But I absolutely do not trust it.

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      Cool and who validates the code base for security vulnerability? And sends tons of packets related to tracking back to there servers?

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        the codebase itself? besides XNU, nobody… but, given the immense amount of scrutiny placed on the software, if there was some magic backdoor (an intentional one, anyway, not talking about like NSO group RCEs 'n shit), don’t you think we’d know?

        the average person doesn’t even know what grapheneos is. if they’re either going to buy an iphone, or some generic android phone running a vendor kernel that hasn’t been patched this administration, i’d want them to buy the iphone.

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            wasn’t Pegasus attack vector sms how is it a OS issue if its a protocol its the same as saying Linux is insecure because xmpp had a vulnrabilty and allowed remote access

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              depends on the chain in question. some used iMessage as a way in, but (at least in the case i’m thinking of rn) it was only used to trigger an image parsing bug. in others, sms was used to trick someone into clicking a link, exploiting a bug in JavaScriptCore.