Literally every type of age verification ever put into place has been circumvented by children. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
When I was little, my mom used to send me to the store with a note that said to sell me cigarettes, and that they were for her. When I started smoking, I used to reuse the notes to get my own smokes. I got my first fake ID at 13 so I could buy beer.
When I was 13 I could just buy beer, the trick was to make it look like you are helping your parents with groceries. So also pickup stuff like a carton of eggs, potatoes and milk. I never had any issue, but it was a different time and in Europe
Yeah, that last bit is key.
In German I think we were drinking in the clubs at that age. No “helping the parents with the eggs and milk” lol
My mum did the same thing she stopped when I used the £20 note to buy sweets, that was a lot of sweets back then.
I guess its a good thing that the point if this is just to tie a real human to their online presence and protecting kids never actually mattered.
You know, for a given value of “good” being “actually very very bad”.
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Almost like it wasn’t about them in the first place.
slippery little shitz hahaha
Yeah, because it isn’t about that. They don’t give a fuck about kids seeing porn. Even when there are age checks, there will be plenty of free porn.
It’s all about being able to connect an online post with the author.
it’s not just the author, but the author’s address, friends, family, employer, coworkers, shopping list, where they go and what they do in their spare time, what kind of health issues they have, who they’re having affairs with–pretty much everything, wrapped up in a bow by AI, ready to be spreadsheeted/cross-referenced across all those data points.
what fascists do
Dig deep enough, you’ll find something on anyone.
and any skeletons in your closet apparently only matters if you’re opposed to fascism… be maga = get away with literally anything
Then just tick the ‘straight to jail’ box next to the names that are the ‘wrong’ color
They’re doing this age verification on purpose just to spy on adults lol
Don’t forget that they are also doing this to desensitize and normalize this for children…
got to get em when they are young…
Fascism starts with attacking the minorities. In this case minors are the tool, and reducing their rights to ashes will only enable further progression of fascism. It essentially feeds on discrimination.
Agreed. Divide and conquer
Yeah, and get ready for those big platforms selectively leaking user data, sometimes with falsified stuff. Get ready for union leaders suddenly being outed for being into weird shit (often literally), all while they’re clueless and disgusted, as part of online smear campaigns. Always said that “cancel culture”/purity testing is a dangerous weapon that can be astroturfed by the enemy, and there’s already some precedent for that (most recently the whole Hasan dog thing). Even some leftists are trying really hard to cancel some “annoying” people among them.
Canceculture is naziism
Age verification bypass tool soon to be made illegal:
Who posted this?
John Oliver
It’s simply impossible to tell.
Well, obviously an adult, but I admit I’m a little unsure about which one. Hope that helps.
A Marxist
John cena
Waldo
I asked chatgpt and they don’t know either.
It was Norman Reedus
People act as if it was a bug and not a feature. This was intended. After people sufficiently make fun of the current solution that everyone knows how easily it is broken, the next step is requiring both ID and face scan and comparing photo on ID with face scan. Congrats, privacy is removed completely. Every poster is now tied with real life identity.
The usual playbook.
We should get all of our advice from little kids. They have not yet been bound by knowing what is or isn’t possible. The meek shall inherit the earth.
We should get all of our advice from little kids.
These articles tend to lean on click-baity “One Neat Trick” headlines, while disguising the more practical hit-or-miss reality of facial recognition software. Sometimes you can outsmart the computer. Sometimes it just fouls the system and fails out. Sometimes the system works exactly as intended.
Little kids experiment around the edges of a system until they get bored or frustrated. In the aggregate, they can be very clever just through the number of permutations they try. Individually, your 12-year-old isn’t going to Hack The Internet reliably.
Pff, maybe not your 12-year-old
“Well, now that they found ways to bypass the checks, we need to introduce even more checks. Let’s make them spit into a device every time they turn on a PC, then check their age based on their genetic markers.” - Politicians
As someone who spent my formative days figuring out how to bypass early digital locks my school was putting in place to “protect us” … The system loses this game. Every time. You are taking kids with nothing but time, no apparent drawbacks, and everything to gain… And placing them against “good enough” implemented by people who could give two shits about it.
This will continue to lose until they twist the knobs too tight and hit false positive central… And oops now the populace hates it. Control for thee is fine until its for me.
Tale as old as technology itself.
Mine was simple, but great. IE was hidden/removed in our typing class, maybe 5th grade. I guessed you could type a www.domain.tld in Word and when you pressed space, got a clickable URL that was still tied to IE. I knew about the URL, but learned it would still open with IE hidden. 🤣🤣
I used to go to the “about Microsoft Works” pop up under the “help” drop down in Works (yes I’m old), and then click a URL on there that would open up a functioning IE window.
We used to get up to so much shenanigans in high school computer classes… I remember playing Unreal Tournament over LAN with like half the class without the teacher knowing
It was Quake for us 😅 I’m not even that old, it’s just the only game that was small enough to store on the shared network without being discovered
Remember the V-Chip? LOL
It pains me to say I do - hah. The south park movie bit on it was perfect.
Even with false positives it won’t change anything. It’s just a small group of people. It’s worth it to “save the children”. If “the system” rejects you, then you must be at fault. Maybe we can even sell a “Super ID Check”. Just a one time $200 fee and then the system will leave you alone. (For 3 years, then pay the fee again, but renewal is even faster this time.)
I’m not saying its going to happen quickly… But filtering in many forms has been tried in the past and they all died similarly. Some vocal group gets inconvenienced by it and then, under scrutiny, the blemishes get paraded out and the project dies a slow ugly death.
The actual reason for the push right now is meta (among others) just want to wash their hands of the responsibility… And that aligns with some tech bros wanting to hoover up peoples ids and resell that info. The whole thing will sour once there’s a significant leak that ties risk into that bottom line and nobody will want to carry it.
I can’t wait to email this to my MP
Canada Bill S209 needs to die. It’s bad legislation.
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Oh that’s a great idea to use politicians to get past age checks assuming of course they don’t get butthurt enough to claim it’s full on fraud
You have to have the word Parody on it somewhere. Then it is not fraud. The thing looks so stupid anyways and has the security feature markings from my id anyways. I am not fooling a human.
My email is now 9 pages long…
Do not do this if you play in grey hat territory. You are going to be on a list.
Not sure what you mean by that.
I’m just writing an email to oppose this, my email is not like the above poster. I am just laying out arguments why this is a bad solution and will not work.
Which is what we’re seeing with kids drawing moustaches and borrowing IDs at will.
Fuck, didn’t realize this cancer had reached Canada
Politicians don’t seem to function this way though. They don’t concern themselves with implementation details. People will vote for age verification even if it doesn’t work.
How about instead of trying every complicated stupid way to regulate users and especially children … you regulate and control companies and corporations instead.
It’s not about the kids. It’s about knowing who is organizing protests, unions, and calling out wage theft, polluters, and whistleblowing illegal activities performed by the government and Epstein class.
It’s about preventing access to online spaces, monetary transactions, and basically letting them erase you from society if you don’t offer them full-throated gratuity and allegiance.
You know, just like ChInAs sOcIaL cReDiT sYsTeM.
As usual here in the West, every accusation is a confession (or at least an idea for later)
It’s been that way for ages around the world. The 2000s were full of news stories from places like Russia, with protests about the actions of their government and the treatment of political opposition. Those stories have largely died down, not because Russia changed, but because they clamped down on dissent. The US is just catching up. It wasn’t just Russia either. We’ve seen this globally with most major political activities over the last decade or more. Where once we were getting video of events in real time, now they’ve learned to shut down the internet, censor the digital forums, ‘flood the zone’. Where once you could be critical of this government or that, it has become an internet of heavily commercialized influencers. It sucks, man.
Like…Russia, China, India, Iran, Isreal, UK, and a handful of others that I can’t remember.
It’s happening everywhere and all in slightly different ways but it’s not JUST the US. I just tend to remember Russia the best because they are the closest to what seems to be happening in the US at a visual level. The old videos of arrests and protests in Russia almost mirror the modern ICE videos. I suspect it will only get worse.
Or, ya know, make parents take responsibility for their own children and monitor what they are doing online. If you don’t want your kids seeing or participating in things online then don’t give them unfettered access to smart phones and computers!
I kind fo agree and kind of don’t. I agree in that parents should take accountability for their children. That said, social media has been shown to be addictive and kids are frequently ahead of their parents technologically. One thing that could help is an education campaign that teaches parents how to effectively monitor their kid’s online activity. Parents need some help figuring out what tools to use and how to use them I think.
You are correct and I’m a little upset at myself that I left out the fact that educating parents should be something we put money and effort into as well.
I agree but how about just don’t buy your kids technology you don’t understand. They don’t need a phone until they’re a teen at minimum. And as far as pc goes if they’re dedicated they will find a way. Eg I would just boot a Linux usb. Don’t have one they can access without you.
Good point. Kids know too much and get addicted too early. Adult know too little and can’t tell the difference between lies and reality. Everybody consumes way too much porn. That’s it, everybody put their phones in the garbage. No more Internet, everyone gets a landline, rotary dial, call on the other end does’t disconnect if you don’t hang yours up.
If they had better things to do they wouldn’t be jerkin it. It is not addictive. It is a modern capitalist society issue where the people that create the solution are the ones causing the problem. It is a enviromental issue.
I’m gonna stop you right there because you’re flirting dangerously close to Victorian prudishness with a modern spin. There is absolutely nothing new about non-reproductive sexual behavior and the practice is not limited to humans. We’ve found sexually explicit images in cave paintings, Mesopotamia, a lot in Greece & Rome (including homoerotica), and the Kama Sutra is about 2000yrs old. Humans, including adolescents, have been jerkin’ it for centuries before the invisible hand came along.
What has occurred is that the accessibility, volume, and content of pornography has expanded and changed. Where people might have previously spanked it and finished in a few minutes then gone on with their day, now they can delay gratification and spend hours gooning to a never ending supply of whatever form of visual stimulus they want, including content that was never even intended or attempted to be pornographic. The pornography itself is not addictive, the physiological and mental stimulation is. For some, there’s a need to explore and indulge riskier sexual behaviors and fetishes to achieve the rush they got previously. I was pretty excited when I saw my first nudie mag at 8, by the time I was 16 it wasn’t as exciting because by then internet porn had become accessible. But, had nudie mags remained my only option for such content, I would have continued to masturbate to nudie mags.
There’s also nothing inherently wrong with the idea of pornography, voyuerism, group play, sex toys, etc so long as all parties involved consent to the activity they’re engaging in. Humans like sex, they like masturbation, they like watching others perform it. Again, consent of all parties involved is the key factor. Truly understanding how to give and respect consent in what can be a high consequence interaction is why we set hard lines about age of consent and prohibit (or attempt to) minors from such activities, but also know that many are exploring and engaging in such behavior privately or with peers regardless. There’s a healthy, normal aspect to that because it’s human nature, and then there’s the dangerous side because porn of every sort lacks a lesson in consent, is often unrealistic/fantastical/deviant, and often treats the passive partner as an object for the pleasure of the active partner (typically women, but trans, “twink”, animals, and children are also depicted as such).
This is the danger of porn to malleable minds who are responding to the biology of sex drive but do not yet have the confidence/skill/capacity to build healthy relationships where they can build intimacy and eventually engage in sex with a willing, consenting partner. Some end up forgoing the effort to find a partner entirely and meet their need with porn, which is a sad and unhealthy avenue. Other take the lessons of objectification and violate the boundaries of other. And the worst make their most deviant, dangerous, and hurtful fantasies reality. Some would behave like that without having been exposed to porn, but I would argue that porn is having a strong influence on the spread and normalization of truly deviant fetishes, like beast/child/gore/rape.
The commodification of sex is older than capitalism, it was being bartered and traded since… since forever. What capitalism has done is make a normal human behavior a profitable vice. Adults embracing their sexuality, recording it, selling it for other adults to view is not problematic so long as everyone who made it consented to the acts recorded and consents to the recording being put out for consumption by strangers. The internet has created a platform where it’s impossible to tell if those criteria were met before the material became permanently available and globally distributed, as well is a bastion of anonymity that can be accessed by anyone of any age. You can try and put up guardrails but humans are just going to figure out a workaround if they are inclined to do so. Pandora’s box has been opened, and even if there is no money to be made people are going to view, share, and trade porn. If you shut the internet down people would revert to whatever media forms were available to do the same. Even if you magically erased all porn, people, including adolescents, would still masturbate. What might diminish is the frequency and amount of time they spend doing so as well as the cultivation of deviant fetishes and objectifying partners.
The people trying to create a “solution” aren’t doing so because they see that some forms of porn production and consumption is problematic, they see human sexuality as problematic. They’re not trying to steer how porn is produced and consumed into a healthy manner, they treat sexuality outside of their concept of divine purpose as deviant. Plus it’s a “rules for thee not me” attitude, especially when the people pushing it support one of the world’s most infamous and abusive deviants. The human need for sexual stimulation/release is like the human need to eat and drink. Capitalism didn’t invent it, it just exploits necessity.
- I’m gonna stop you right there because you’re flirting dangerously close to Victorian prudishness with a modern spin. There is absolutely nothing new about non-reproductive sexual behavior and the practice is not limited to humans. We’ve found sexually explicit images in cave paintings, Mesopotamia, a lot in Greece & Rome (including homoerotica), and the Kama Sutra is about 2000yrs old. Humans, including adolescents, have been jerkin’ it for centuries before the invisible hand came along.
My response: OK
- What has occurred is that the accessibility, volume, and content of pornography has expanded and changed. Where people might have previously spanked it and finished in a few minutes then gone on with their day, now they can delay gratification and spend hours gooning to a never ending supply of whatever form of visual stimulus they want, including content that was never even intended or attempted to be pornographic. The pornography itself is not addictive, the physiological and mental stimulation is. For some, there’s a need to explore and indulge riskier sexual behaviors and fetishes to achieve the rush they got previously. I was pretty excited when I saw my first nudie mag at 8, by the time I was 16 it wasn’t as exciting because by then internet porn had become accessible. But, had nudie mags remained my only option for such content, I would have continued to masturbate to nudie mags.
My response:
Like I said, if they had better things to do, they wouldn’t be jerking it all day. I’m living example of that. I have many hobbies and goals, personal goals, I would like to achieve, in which I do. And like I go to the restroom and take a huge dump, I deal with my bodily needs. In a capitalist society, you’re going to have fetish, you’re going to have perversion, because you have commodified the natural world. And like everything, people are always looking for the next thing, even though there’s nothing new under the sun. At the root of this, I think this has to do with internal issues that are from external environmental factors. They will never fix the issues, because the issues create the solutions, and those solutions give big tech the power they need to become the fascist techno dictatorship that they’ve always planned to be. Our children are being preyed upon by psychological masters, & weapons contractors.
- There’s also nothing inherently wrong with the idea of pornography, voyuerism, group play, sex toys, etc so long as all parties involved consent to the activity they’re engaging in. Humans like sex, they like masturbation, they like watching others perform it. Again, consent of all parties involved is the key factor. Truly understanding how to give and respect consent in what can be a high consequence interaction is why we set hard lines about age of consent and prohibit (or attempt to) minors from such activities, but also know that many are exploring and engaging in such behavior privately or with peers regardless. There’s a healthy, normal aspect to that because it’s human nature, and then there’s the dangerous side because porn of every sort lacks a lesson in consent, is often unrealistic/fantastical/deviant, and often treats the passive partner as an object for the pleasure of the active partner (typically women, but trans, “twink”, animals, and children are also depicted as such).
My response: True
- This is the danger of porn to malleable minds who are responding to the biology of sex drive but do not yet have the confidence/skill/capacity to build healthy relationships where they can build intimacy and eventually engage in sex with a willing, consenting partner. Some end up forgoing the effort to find a partner entirely and meet their need with porn, which is a sad and unhealthy avenue. Other take the lessons of objectification and violate the boundaries of other. And the worst make their most deviant, dangerous, and hurtful fantasies reality. Some would behave like that without having been exposed to porn, but I would argue that porn is having a strong influence on the spread and normalization of truly deviant fetishes, like beast/child/gore/rape.
My response: People need to raise their children and not shelter them.
- The commodification of sex is older than capitalism, it was being bartered and traded since… since forever. What capitalism has done is make a normal human behavior a profitable vice. Adults embracing their sexuality, recording it, selling it for other adults to view is not problematic so long as everyone who made it consented to the acts recorded and consents to the recording being put out for consumption by strangers. The internet has created a platform where it’s impossible to tell if those criteria were met before the material became permanently available and globally distributed, as well is a bastion of anonymity that can be accessed by anyone of any age. You can try and put up guardrails but humans are just going to figure out a workaround if they are inclined to do so. Pandora’s box has been opened, and even if there is no money to be made people are going to view, share, and trade porn. If you shut the internet down people would revert to whatever media forms were available to do the same. Even if you magically erased all porn, people, including adolescents, would still masturbate. What might diminish is the frequency and amount of time they spend doing so as well as the cultivation of deviant fetishes and objectifying partners.
My respone:
OMGAWD we are saying the same fucking thing. Instead of being punitive or restrictive, I mean, you gotta be restrictive to some degree. But I’m the type of person that believes additive solutions are the key to normal socialization of youths. You gotta give these little shits something better to do. This fucking country has no third spaces… if you live in the imperial core. It is a very boring place that’s hard to get around. I believe kids should have some structure, just like every organism on the planet, but it shouldn’t be dictated by values or interests that other people think you should be into. What I’m saying is, America is a very boring place, with very few options, and everything cost a fortune. It’s no wonder kids are on the internet constantly. It’s like we built the world of the computer and the car, and we forgot to add in some space for human living. America also has a problem with being over-competitive. In that process of being over-competitive, we become jealous, envious, and vengeful. From the top to the bottom, these toxic behaviors are pervasive. So, when it comes to revenge porn, I mean, I’m just not interested in celebrities, or even the girl next door, or the guy next door, I really just keep to myself when it comes to all that. I prefer a good album to a good song. And a lot of times my favorite bands I don’t even know the names of the musicians. When you watch movies, do you care about the story or the actor in it? I mean, even the way movies are made, they are made to be cut after cut, instead of joining film like they do in long scenes from the past. This has to do with attention span. So what I’m saying, it’s a cultural issue. I don’t think the accelerationism and the restrictive measures of the tech community are going to solve any of our depraved behaviors. Like I said, if these kids had something better to do, they wouldn’t be doing what they’re doing.
- The people trying to create a “solution” aren’t doing so because they see that some forms of porn production and consumption is problematic, they see human sexuality as problematic. They’re not trying to steer how porn is produced and consumed into a healthy manner, they treat sexuality outside of their concept of divine purpose as deviant. Plus it’s a “rules for thee not me” attitude, especially when the people pushing it support one of the world’s most infamous and abusive deviants. The human need for sexual stimulation/release is like the human need to eat and drink. Capitalism didn’t invent it, it just exploits necessity.
My respone:
Yeah some people just get off by being in charge and eatin mcdonalds. Boy oh boy you are verbose. “divine purpose as deviant” Also I see it not as divine nor deviant
I agree, letting parents do their job of parenting is the best way to deal with this. But the problem is that that’s very difficult, and they currently lack adequate tools.
The best method would be to make sure operating systems support parental controls that parents can set, and require websites to respect those settings (and browsers to support an API passthrough of the OS setting). That way there’s no need to do any age verification that sends sensitive data like ID or faces to third-parties with sketchy privacy policies.
Unfortunately, when moves were actually taken to implement this kind of solution, reactionaries pushed back and made sure it didn’t happen.
Which move are you referring to? Because most of them include far more than that.
Some guy put a PR in to the Linux kernal and to systemd, IIRC. The community pushback was huge, despite it literally just being a field users could fill in themselves if they wanted.
I’m not sure if he ended up succeeding. IIRC last time I checked it was in systemd but not Linux, but that could have changed and I could be misremembering.
I think it was accepted in systemd. There was no commit in the kernel because such things are really don’t belong in the kernel.
But the law it was a response too is horrible. If any ‘app’, regardless of it including any unsafe content (or content at all really) must ask for this information from the OS. Otherwise the developer and/or controller (which can be whoever installed the app) is liable for thousands of dollars.
This only makes sense if you think the only ‘apps’ that exist are ones written by FAANG.
Combine both and demand parental controls for devices and services. The isp is paid for by an adult that’s the only age check websites should need. Parents should have easily accessible tools to mark a os or browser as used by a minor.
Wifi/router side parental controls are laughably easy to get around
who gives a fuck I want my freedom of speech, trains and a liviable wage with a billionare on my plate
Utah is trying. They claim they want to hold websites liable for Utahians who use VPNs to bypass ID checks. I don’t think that’s going to work, mostly because I have a lot of questions about how that could possible be enforced. But it’s funny to think about.
And who’s
payrollcampaign donations are the politicians that are pushing these policy coming from?
I’m in my mid thirties and I’d still buy a mask or something to trick these systems if and when this becomes a thing in my country.
Guy Fawkes uses a lot of online services.
Same I have absolutly no respect for big tech
Vincent Adultman
I went to the stock market today and did a business
I wonder how the business industry is going these days?
Oh no. All that’s left now that the age veifications are bypassed are the extensive public surveillance. Better leave that running.
Blame to all who made such stupid software and then called it “age check”
It’s not age check. It’s 1984-style government invasion of privacy.
Same picture.
I couldn’t stop laughing when one of my kids showed me a picture of his 10 year old friend’s effort with the texta. We are talking comical magician curly moustache. Roblox verified that account as 18 though and now that account can’t talk to his school friends.
He outsmarted himself lol
