The batteries do contain rare minerals like lithium but these can be recovered and recycled. EVs can be charged with solar, wind and other renewables even tho many places in the USA still burn coal or natural gas.
Once you burn gasoline in your ICE vehicle then it’s gone, it turns into gasses that go into the atmosphere and can’t easily be recovered into anything of much use.
EVs are the future and we all know it. Gasoline will continue to become more expensive and more difficult to extract.
I’d argue with the level of shit were in with the climate, the no cars lifestyle should be the future.
It might be in a few nations with strong public transit already like Japan and a number or European nations but honestly idk if it will ever happen in the USA at least not in my life time.
We went from zero cars to everything covered in cars in a lifetime, we can go back in a lifetime.
Attitudes around public transport have to change. It’s seen as a thing poor people use in some cities so the affluent kill expansion efforts. And even where it doesn’t have that stigma, nobody wants to pay for infrastructure.
It’s so neat to have a problem that combines poor numeracy with not being able to see two steps ahead. Yeah, if could somehow grow the Venn diagram of people with those two skills that would be great.
OK but that’s about as realistic in the next 40+ years as genetically engineered flying pigs.
Incremental progress is good.
Incrementalism is what has killed us. Incrementalism plus crony capitalism equals absolute zero.
Then I guess surviving the climate collapse will be just as realistic.
worst part of getting old is watching everyone around you gradually get dumber
Gas cars are better! (says the gas station owner)
I can tell you that keeping an existing decent ICE is better than buying a new EV. But once you have to buy a new car anyway, and an EV fits your usage pattern and operational environment there are no reasons not to buy one.
Yeah, it’s a bullshit clickbait headline to ignore this fact.
So that’s not what the article was saying
Speaking as someone who has worked on plenty of gasoline powered cars… Duh. The most obvious waste product an internal combustion car makes other than the exhaust is the used oil. Have to do something with it. Have to make sure the engine isn’t leaking out into the environment when it’s running.
Even if you are charging your car from a coal plant, it’s more efficient. A coal power plant runs at one speed/output all the time. Gas cars have to throttle up and down. Each gas car has to be maintained by the person owning it, while the power plant has a maintenance team and inspections.
Also to the throttling up and down, the power plant, or even a gasoline generator sitting in the car itself, will always run at peak efficiency. Even a gasoline car sitting on the highway for 4hrs isn’t running at peak efficiency and a lot of that energy is lost in heat through the transmission.
MIT Study VS Facebook posts. Hard choice.
Well the Misinformation Institute of Technology just cannot be trusted. It’s in the name!!
Everyone who was around during the pandemic knows that facebook is gonna win
Look at everything the MIT has done for us!
Well the headline alone is misleading disinformation.
People shouldn’t blindly trust that MIT is somehow immune from the failures of capitalist science. It’s literally the heart of the MIC. Endless bullshit coming out of there.
I didn’t realise anyone still uses facebook. Like in developed countries I mean.
I live in Atlanta and when I turned 21 (a couple years ago, but post 2020) I was kinda irritated because literally everything in the entire city was planned on Facebook Events, and I hated using Facebook.
It’s overwhelmingly popular, especially in the 30+ crowd, not even restricted to your 55+. Genuinely everyone would create Facebook events (before Partiful got popular) to invite people over on a Saturday
Edit: spelling
Hey you keep us 30 somethings out of this. I don’t know anyone my age still on Facebook. We’re leaving Instagram too. Fuck social media and fuck platforms owned and controlled by billionaires.
I’m still on there, primarily because a band I’m in uses it for events invites and uses Messenger for coordination group texts
Amazing how an entire age group doesn’t think and act the same tho - it’s almost like they’re made up of individuals. Who would have guessed?
Article leaves out tires and tire wear pollution which is significant and bad stuff. It’s also worse in heavier vehicles. Yes, EVs, especially if CATL can get their sodium battery line off the ground, are better overall, but let’s not oversimplify. Also, the most environmental car is still a car…
What do you propose we do to solve tyres?
I guess more trams would be cool
This is the way
Light rail would be great alright, but I’m curious about a car tyre replacement
Science back then: after long work we were able to create a vaccine, and we managed to eradicate small pox completely.
Science now: we did a study to prove something on Facebook isn’t true.
To be fair the scientists only invented the vaccine, and modern scientists are inventing plenty of vaccines and medical technologies today, including vaccines for infamously difficult to stop diseases like HIV.
Eradicating smallpox was a feat of international cooperation and administration. If we put in the effort in those areas today we could eliminate measles or polio. Or in the near future we could begin the process of eliminating HIV (it would take a long time because it’s not a death sentence anymore). Now I’m mad we aren’t engaged in a global fight to eliminate HIV the way we did for smallpox.
Let me ask Facebook how credible this study is…
@Grok, is this legit?
Tap for spoiler
/s
*grok speaks against the favor of petroleum industry and is taken offline to be lobotomized yet another time*
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What we really should have done is made the Car Talk guys president. If there’s one thing I know for sure, it’s that those two would never have forced me to listen to what some MIT grad thinks.
Absolute gold! (The hosts of Car Talk were both MIT grads)
Hey, I did my own research!!!1!1!!
How do you discover new things or form opinions?
How do I wat?
What are opinions?
Yeah, I have only facts, non of those opinions.
Theys easy to find. Opinions make you cry when you cut them.
No, you’re thinking of onions. Opinions are American marsupials known for confusing predators by pretending to be dead.
No, you’re thinking of opossums. Opinions are a class of pain medications that are now tightly controlled due to the high likelihood of addiction.
I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of opioids. Opinions are animals that regularly consume both plant and animal matter.
Yeah but I heard this one scientist said one time that EVs actually cause more cancers and make trees grow less leaves
EVs beat me up and killed my dog.
EVs stole my wife and shot my kids.
You got cybercucked
EVs turned me into a newt!
A newt?
I got better?
No, that was a cop.
The solar panels on my roof that I use to charge my car suck up all the sun and stop my grass growing
Trans trees! And bushes! Trans nature!
Is that what you want!?
Was that a scientist, or scientologist?
Maybe someone with a political science degree?
The only “everyone” are trolls, paid or otherwise, the ignorant, and right wingnuts parroting the trolls and ignorant.
And there are a shitload of them who all seem to want to show off that opinion.
Half my family believes this it’s one of the major reason they don’t switch to EVs despite being believers of climate change.
Pretty insane how well that disinformation works. If you are worried about nickel, mangan and cobalt, just get a car with an LFP battery, which doesn’t need those heavy metals (it is based on lithium and iron phosphate). The only other critical resource in appreciable amounts is neodynium for permanent magnets. We are talking about 1-3 kg per car.
If you think that makes EVs worse for climate or environment than ICE vehicles, think again.
Don’t underestimate the ignorant.
I think the ignorant still fall into trolls category (paid or not). They’re just an extension of them being effective.
Especially their numbers
That does sound like everyone on Facebook
You reduced it to about 70% of the population.
And idiots who spend lots of money on overpriced ice cars to impress their mates
That’s why they are so concerned about the resell value in a years time, because they’re not buying the car they want, only one that is fashionable
