• lobut@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    These ICE agents are still getting paid per arrest, I see.

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      I heard on public radio regular fucking cops will also be getting a slush fund which incentivizes them to arrest these people too… Good example is, if they meet a certain quota of arrests they could get brand new police cruisers……

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    Which is one of the many problems about due process not being followed since double jeopardy is not allowed. Of course not following due process is not allowed sooooooo…

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      Double jeopardy applies to trials and convictions, not detainments. This just falls under straight harassment.

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        yeah I get that but arrests require records and charges. this grabbing people and not arresting them and bringing them places an such is next level bs.

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                To be fair, he is a US citizen. Not that it matters all that much these days, but I imagine it makes it harder for them to just arrest him once and disappear him to a concentration camp.

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                I don’t think the people I was responding to were referring to just the guy in the article and neither was I.

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                  First, this thread is literally about him.

                  Second, there is a concept known as an example.

                  In short, it doesn’t even matter. Both hold.

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          At that point you might as well suck on the barrel and just end yourself. Your doing the same fucking this either way.

          The second amendment is basically just a thinly veiled excuse to commit suicide by cop if your not white. And that’s if your lucky. The other chance is life in jail as a slave and your entire family being harassed.

          Unless you can round up enough people to be a movement, your just going to be hit harder then you could ever hope to hit back. So unless your planning to be a Martyr your just better off doing anything else.

          Remember the second only protects your right to arms and your right to bear them. For the purpose of defense of the state and for the purpose of milita for the state. It doesn’t give you the right to use them against the state or your right to use them with out being able to legally justify it after the fact.

          The right to use your arms in personal self defense is only protected by law not right. It falls under the second amendment but it is not THE second amendment.

          The strict text is just that we the people should and must have arms so to ensure our state can not be taken or invaded by out side influences. So that we may form a militia should the need arise.

          So unless you can argue legally that the states enforcers or it’s sanctioned employees, militia or mercenaries are acting in a manner that would cause the state and it’s people to no longer be a free state under it’s owns power. Then you can’t invoke the second amendment against the state. As a pure protection alone.

          Your now having to throw your legal weight vs the states legal weight that your use of your right was justified. And they WILL win, even if you some how manage to scrape out a victory it won’t be a real one. You will likely be harassed and fucked over even harder then before.

          The people never win in the long run when they attempt to use violence alone. It just doesn’t happen. It functionally can’t happen. You either band together or you die alone.