EU is not really an export power in any meaningful sense
Are you sure buddy? The only powers who can compete with the EU by value are China and the USA. Come correct if you are going to bother at all.
Every block is free to run their internal economy as they see fit but every other block is also free to set rules on what it determines to be illegal state aid. Sticking to the example of cars but this is also true for other Chinese industries, the whole point of the Chinese illegal state aid is to corner the international manufacturing market degrading competitors manufacturing ability before then increasing the price to profitable levels.
Europe does not need to emulate China because China is not winning in any meaningful sense against Europe. China points to its impressive year on year GDP increases without acknowledging the low levels it started at. EU GDP per capita is still 3-4 times Chinese so even at their rapid rates of growth they will not come anywhere near EU levels in our lifetimes. This is before we even consider the difference in quality of life, Chinese workers regularly doing 996 schedules with the EU having a 40 hour workweek. The EU also has a better social safety net of unemployment, pension benefits, medical, worker legal protections, food safety, I could go on all day here.
The EU dependency on Russia for energy could have been described as stupid, the current dependency on the USA is a direct result of this previous bad decision and will not be rectified overnight.
he EU kept paying lip service to the idea of going green, but refused to invest into stuff like wind and solar because it came from China.
What are you on about, the EU has purchased more than 50% of China’s exports of solar panels and wind turbines , with 98% of the EUs solar panel imports coming from China. When you need to make stuff up to back up your point it’s probably not a very good one.
Yup, the EU is free to set rules that harm its own economy. Has been working out real great for y’all, like when you made the brilliant decision not to invest in solar and wind from China. And you keep using this word, illegal, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
like when you made the brilliant decision not to invest in solar and wind from China.
Starting off your response with false information from your previous comment that I already disproved is an interesting choice mate. Over 50% of China’s solar and wind exports go to the EU and the EU sources 98% of its solar panels from China. Doesn’t fit your world view though does it?
And you keep using this word, illegal, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Illegal state aid, as in state aid that is against EU laws, keep up buddy, not that complicated!
China is absolutely dependent on energy imports. One business insider article from 2022 that compares China to Europe, including regions like Turkey that are not in the EU. The Chinese median wealth is close to the lower end of EU countries like Poland and Romania and nowhere close to the higher end which are 10-15 times higher than China. You’re a great man for the misinformation, nice try though!
The world is a very different place now to 5 years ago. China has shown by backing Russia in the war against Ukraine that they are an enemy to the EU. Expect more trade walls to go up between EU/USA and China as we divert our trade away from China over the next few decades. China shouldn’t have bitten the hand that feeds it, the rabid wolf warriors need to sit down.
You could even get 100% of your panels, it’s what total percentage of energy production that amounts to overall that matters. Absolutely incredible that needs to be spelled out for you. Let me try using an example that somebody with your mental prowess might be able to comprehend. If you have 100 power plants, and one of them is a solar plant that you bought from China, then you bought 100% of your solar plants from China, but that’s still only 1% of your total power generation mix. Let me know if this example was too complex and you need me to break it down some more.
Illegal state aid, as in state aid that is against EU laws, keep up buddy, not that complicated!
Last I checked, China isn’t part of the EU.
China is absolutely dependent on energy imports.
China is dependent on energy imports that largely come from Russia nowadays. And having cheap and abundant Russian energy allows Chinese industry to have much lower inputs than European industry does.
nowhere close to the higher end which are 10-15 times higher than China
You sure love providing sources for your claims. That’s what makes them so believable.
The world is a very different place now to 5 years ago. China has shown by backing Russia in the war against Ukraine that they are an enemy to the EU.
When the whole world is your enemy, maybe you’re the problem. Smug eurotrash deserve everything that’s coming to you.
You could even get 100% of your panels, it’s what total percentage of energy production that amounts to overall that matters.
Come on buddy, my 5 year old could formulate a better sentence than this. I can’t even make out what you are trying to say with your nonsensical drivel.
Absolutely incredible that needs to be spelled out for you. Let me try using an example that somebody with your mental prowess might be able to comprehend
Then you have the cheek to follow up your poor English with insults of my intelligence. The hypocrisy is hilarious.
but that’s still only 1% of your total power generation mix.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong, maybe try a bit of research before you open your mouth. Almost 50% of EU electricity generation in 2024 was from renewables.
if they want to sell to the EU the rules apply and China is relying heavily on increasing EU trade now that the USA has tariffs on China.
You sure love providing sources for your claims. That’s what makes them so believable.
The only source you provided was a 4 year old article from a rag of tabloid, “Business Insider”, as if that held any weight or credibility. I do not count that as a particularly reliable source.
This article uses stats from UBS global wealth report 2025.
Chinese people’s high relative wealth is due to high property ownership rates in the country, about 90%. The people in China only actually own the buildingz the government owns all the land, leasing it out for 70 years at a time with no guarantee of renewal. In Ireland I own my house and the ground under it until I sell it.
When the whole world is your enemy, maybe you’re the problem
Incorrect again my friend, the UN votes on the Russian war proves this. Not even China votes to support Russia, they typically abstain like the cowards they are.
Smug eurotrash deserve everything that’s coming to you.
There is is, the chip on your shoulder, lol. Have a great day buddy.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong, maybe try a bit of research before you open your mouth. Almost 50% of EU electricity generation in 2024 was from renewables.
if they want to sell to the EU the rules apply and China is relying heavily on increasing EU trade now that the USA has tariffs on China.
LMAO that’s not how it works Einstein. The idiots in EU can do idiot things inside the EU. They don’t get to tell Chinese people how to live. But yes, you can certainly cut yourself off from the biggest industrial economy in the world and see how that works out for you.
Chinese people’s high relative wealth is due to high property ownership rates in the country, about 90%. The people in China only actually own the buildingz the government owns all the land, leasing it out for 70 years at a time with no guarantee of renewal. In Ireland I own my house and the ground under it until I sell it.
Incorrect again my friend, the UN votes on the Russian war proves this. Not even China votes to support Russia, they typically abstain like the cowards they are.
You’re very misinformed on worker rights on China and overlooking that Europe isn’t consistent in worker rights internally, the welfare and rights depend heavily on every state. You’re also pretending that a deindustrializing region is in any way comparable to the factory of the world with a straight face. Europe benefits greatly from past colonialism and current neocolonialism, so of course the GDP per capita will be high. Just wait for Africa and Latin America to become more sovereign and it will all crumble.
Am I now? I don’t think so, next you will tell me that 996 isn’t a thing?
Europe isn’t consistent in worker rights internally
You tell me that I am misinformed about Chinese worker rights and you go and drop this gem straight after. It’s like you didn’t even know that there are EU worker rights that apply consistently across the whole EU. The basic rights in the EU are far higher than anything in China.
Am I now? I don’t think so, next you will tell me that 996 isn’t a thing?
966 was a real problem in the private sector, especially in the tech industry, but the government started cracking down on it at least as early as 2021, you can read about that on the Financial Times. I went through a few sources reporting about 996 in China from 2023 onwards and all I could find was NGOs funded by the US government, a research paper that survereyed 12 people working from home during the pandemic, and personal stories without receipts.
It’s true that working hours tend to be higher across Asia compared to western countries (google the working hours in South Korea or India for example), but the difference is that the standards of living and purchasing power of Chinese workers is growing year after year.
It’s like you didn’t even know that there are EU worker rights that apply consistently across the whole EU.
My point was more that the guarantees, wages and welfare you experience as a worker is different depending on your status and country, unless you believe healthcare, education and paid leave are treated the same uniformly. Not every country in the EU is like Sweden or Germany.
The 996 work practices do still continue and are just an extreme example of how terrible working conditions are across China. I would much rather work less hours for more money in better conditions that are available in the EU as the bare minimum by law. This goes to the quality of life issue, Europeans have more time off work to spend with family and friends.
The purchasing powers of the Chinese people are increasing year on year (as are European who started at a much higher level but obviously can not increase at the same rate.) but the problem with China is that they are likely as a population to get old before they get rich. China faces demographic collapse over the next 50 years due to the disastrous one child policy. Demographics is destiny.
unless you believe healthcare, education and paid leave are treated the same uniformly. Not every country in the EU is like Sweden or Germany.
Some countries like Sweden offer their citizens extraordinary social benefits so it would be unfair to compare them to most countries. My point is that the EU minimum worker protections are orders of magnitude above anything in China. The EU does a much better job protecting the dignity of its work force than the “people’s party” in power in China.
Are you sure buddy? The only powers who can compete with the EU by value are China and the USA. Come correct if you are going to bother at all.
Every block is free to run their internal economy as they see fit but every other block is also free to set rules on what it determines to be illegal state aid. Sticking to the example of cars but this is also true for other Chinese industries, the whole point of the Chinese illegal state aid is to corner the international manufacturing market degrading competitors manufacturing ability before then increasing the price to profitable levels.
Europe does not need to emulate China because China is not winning in any meaningful sense against Europe. China points to its impressive year on year GDP increases without acknowledging the low levels it started at. EU GDP per capita is still 3-4 times Chinese so even at their rapid rates of growth they will not come anywhere near EU levels in our lifetimes. This is before we even consider the difference in quality of life, Chinese workers regularly doing 996 schedules with the EU having a 40 hour workweek. The EU also has a better social safety net of unemployment, pension benefits, medical, worker legal protections, food safety, I could go on all day here.
The EU dependency on Russia for energy could have been described as stupid, the current dependency on the USA is a direct result of this previous bad decision and will not be rectified overnight.
What are you on about, the EU has purchased more than 50% of China’s exports of solar panels and wind turbines , with 98% of the EUs solar panel imports coming from China. When you need to make stuff up to back up your point it’s probably not a very good one.
Yup, the EU is free to set rules that harm its own economy. Has been working out real great for y’all, like when you made the brilliant decision not to invest in solar and wind from China. And you keep using this word, illegal, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
LMFAO imagine thinking China is not winning against Europe. Last I checked China has basic things like energy and fertilizer that are out of reach of geniuses in Europe. And sure buddy, quality of life, tell me more about that https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9
And yes, such amazing solar and wind build outs in EU, that they don’t even shift the needle now that Gulf energy is cut off.
Starting off your response with false information from your previous comment that I already disproved is an interesting choice mate. Over 50% of China’s solar and wind exports go to the EU and the EU sources 98% of its solar panels from China. Doesn’t fit your world view though does it?
Illegal state aid, as in state aid that is against EU laws, keep up buddy, not that complicated!
China is absolutely dependent on energy imports. One business insider article from 2022 that compares China to Europe, including regions like Turkey that are not in the EU. The Chinese median wealth is close to the lower end of EU countries like Poland and Romania and nowhere close to the higher end which are 10-15 times higher than China. You’re a great man for the misinformation, nice try though!
The world is a very different place now to 5 years ago. China has shown by backing Russia in the war against Ukraine that they are an enemy to the EU. Expect more trade walls to go up between EU/USA and China as we divert our trade away from China over the next few decades. China shouldn’t have bitten the hand that feeds it, the rabid wolf warriors need to sit down.
You could even get 100% of your panels, it’s what total percentage of energy production that amounts to overall that matters. Absolutely incredible that needs to be spelled out for you. Let me try using an example that somebody with your mental prowess might be able to comprehend. If you have 100 power plants, and one of them is a solar plant that you bought from China, then you bought 100% of your solar plants from China, but that’s still only 1% of your total power generation mix. Let me know if this example was too complex and you need me to break it down some more.
Last I checked, China isn’t part of the EU.
China is dependent on energy imports that largely come from Russia nowadays. And having cheap and abundant Russian energy allows Chinese industry to have much lower inputs than European industry does.
You sure love providing sources for your claims. That’s what makes them so believable.
When the whole world is your enemy, maybe you’re the problem. Smug eurotrash deserve everything that’s coming to you.
Come on buddy, my 5 year old could formulate a better sentence than this. I can’t even make out what you are trying to say with your nonsensical drivel.
Then you have the cheek to follow up your poor English with insults of my intelligence. The hypocrisy is hilarious.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong, maybe try a bit of research before you open your mouth. Almost 50% of EU electricity generation in 2024 was from renewables.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20250702-1
Never said it was Einstein,
if they want to sell to the EU the rules apply and China is relying heavily on increasing EU trade now that the USA has tariffs on China.
The only source you provided was a 4 year old article from a rag of tabloid, “Business Insider”, as if that held any weight or credibility. I do not count that as a particularly reliable source.
https://www.euronews.com/business/2026/02/23/europes-wealth-divide-mapped-where-are-adults-richest-and-poorest
This article uses stats from UBS global wealth report 2025.
Chinese people’s high relative wealth is due to high property ownership rates in the country, about 90%. The people in China only actually own the buildingz the government owns all the land, leasing it out for 70 years at a time with no guarantee of renewal. In Ireland I own my house and the ground under it until I sell it.
Incorrect again my friend, the UN votes on the Russian war proves this. Not even China votes to support Russia, they typically abstain like the cowards they are.
There is is, the chip on your shoulder, lol. Have a great day buddy.
This is what’s called lying by omission kiddo. Let’s just look at the total energy mix, and it’s a very different picture isn’t it https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/interactive-publications/energy-2025
LMAO that’s not how it works Einstein. The idiots in EU can do idiot things inside the EU. They don’t get to tell Chinese people how to live. But yes, you can certainly cut yourself off from the biggest industrial economy in the world and see how that works out for you.
Oh man, wait till you learn about eminent domain. It’s gonna blow your mind. https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/losing-your-home-and-homelessness/compulsory-purchase-of-property/#5bb406
Try to put more effort into our trolling not to make it so transparent lol. Have a great day buddy.
You’re very misinformed on worker rights on China and overlooking that Europe isn’t consistent in worker rights internally, the welfare and rights depend heavily on every state. You’re also pretending that a deindustrializing region is in any way comparable to the factory of the world with a straight face. Europe benefits greatly from past colonialism and current neocolonialism, so of course the GDP per capita will be high. Just wait for Africa and Latin America to become more sovereign and it will all crumble.
Am I now? I don’t think so, next you will tell me that 996 isn’t a thing?
You tell me that I am misinformed about Chinese worker rights and you go and drop this gem straight after. It’s like you didn’t even know that there are EU worker rights that apply consistently across the whole EU. The basic rights in the EU are far higher than anything in China.
966 was a real problem in the private sector, especially in the tech industry, but the government started cracking down on it at least as early as 2021, you can read about that on the Financial Times. I went through a few sources reporting about 996 in China from 2023 onwards and all I could find was NGOs funded by the US government, a research paper that survereyed 12 people working from home during the pandemic, and personal stories without receipts.
It’s true that working hours tend to be higher across Asia compared to western countries (google the working hours in South Korea or India for example), but the difference is that the standards of living and purchasing power of Chinese workers is growing year after year.
My point was more that the guarantees, wages and welfare you experience as a worker is different depending on your status and country, unless you believe healthcare, education and paid leave are treated the same uniformly. Not every country in the EU is like Sweden or Germany.
The 996 work practices do still continue and are just an extreme example of how terrible working conditions are across China. I would much rather work less hours for more money in better conditions that are available in the EU as the bare minimum by law. This goes to the quality of life issue, Europeans have more time off work to spend with family and friends.
The purchasing powers of the Chinese people are increasing year on year (as are European who started at a much higher level but obviously can not increase at the same rate.) but the problem with China is that they are likely as a population to get old before they get rich. China faces demographic collapse over the next 50 years due to the disastrous one child policy. Demographics is destiny.
Some countries like Sweden offer their citizens extraordinary social benefits so it would be unfair to compare them to most countries. My point is that the EU minimum worker protections are orders of magnitude above anything in China. The EU does a much better job protecting the dignity of its work force than the “people’s party” in power in China.