Now watch the Republican Party of “Law and Order”nominate a convicted felon to be the next president
Don’t forget their party of “family values” and “religious morals” candidate who slept with a porn star while his wife was recovering from giving birth to their child
And he raw dogged.
*third wife
And by having sex with a pornstar he was cheating on the playboy model he was cheating on his wife with.
You have to understand that this isn’t ironic to them. To them, this was not a legitimate trial and trumped up charges, if you’ll pardon the pun.
That’s because his supporters worship him as a new messiah and cannot conceive of him having actually committed a crime. Or they don’t care if he did or not.
They don’t care if he did. I’d argue most of his supporters in the party (Mike Johnson for example) know that he is a horrible person but will support him because he has energized a dormant portion of the voting population that can help them to gain and hold power. Trump himself isn’t even that bad, he’s a useful idiot who gives immense power to far right organizations like the heritage foundation.
They view him as an imperfect tool of the lord
That is a chill-inducing phrase.
AKA false prophet
To his supporters there isn’t a legitimate trial.
Right, there can’t be a legitimate trial because everything is “politicized” and “a witch hunt”.
Weird how they can’t get DAs to bring charges against Hillary or Hunter though.
The guy behind me that watches fox news all day because “he needs something to help him focus” immediately started spouting fox talking points as soon as the verdict was read. My younger coworkers were like, “no way, that’s crazy” to all his bs. I just had to say, “no that’s not true. I read the jury instructions and they don’t say that.” He moved onto insisting there was no evidence and Cohen perjured himself and at that point I was already on my way out the door.
He’s Gen x, a landlord, new York exile, classic gabagool. Ugh.
I’d complain to HR that that guy is making the workplace hostile, if not outright tell him to shut the fuck up, but I get that that’s not a safe option at a lot of workplaces
Wrong. Talk to him every day. Hang out on some weekends, and become friends. Plant subtle notions of egalitarianism through your friendship and generosity. Ask him thought questions about his beliefs, but not in an accusatory manner. Teach him to actually think for himself, to keep an open mind, to seek evidence rather than faith to form convictions. Slowly show him by example what it means to be a good person who cares for their fellow human beings.
Then you plant some drugs on him while at work, and call HR with your suspicions.
You know, on balance though, I think I’m glad that being a convicted felon doesn’t preclude one from being elected president. I’ve gone back and forth on it a lot, but I think it is for the best.
Can you elaborate? My knee-jerk reaction is to be against it, but I haven’t thought about it a whole lot and I’d be interested to know why you have decided on the opposite.
It means if there was an actual politically motivated prosecution, that wouldn’t stop someone from winning. ie. If Trump had managed to make some fake charge against Biden stick in 2020, if the people still wanted Biden to be president, he could be.
I think it’s a powerful statement that - despite all the structural checks & balances and systems of appeal - we consider political charges and kangaroo courts a realistic possibility. It’s not just Alito’s flags - this is a long simmering loss of faith.
Let us know how you get from “politically motivated prosecution” to 12 jurors (some of which are Trump supporters) finding guilt. Convicted felons by jury trial should not be public servants and most state Constitutions clearly state that (Florida for example).
if there was an actual politically motivated prosecution
Which is, of course, the unsubstantiated claim that Trump has been making.
Despite this entire trial not being under the jurisdiction or control of his political rival.
To find out what rules he broke for each guilty verdict, search “trump rule 34”
Huh, idgi. I looked it up and all I saw was him getting fucked by 12 of his peers.
To call them peers is an insult to the jurors
Not peers as in members of a cohort. Peers as in pee-rs, those who pee. On him. Like stormy daniels.
This is villainous.
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YAY!!! AGAIN! AGAIN! AGAIN!!
Again? Sure
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Just one more time… I want it, no, NEED it one more time
I got you.
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Yo sorry I got distracted thinking about that orange fuckface being found guilty, could you start over?
I love it
It flows so nicely wouldn’t you say?
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I’m sorry can I get it once more, I was watering my sofa
Which count of guilty is your favorite?
Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Get fucked you piece of shit
I have doubts he will do any time.
I can dream. I guess there’s some consolation to his mind slowly becoming his prison. If anyone deserves dementia, it’s this traitor
Asshole kept comparing himself to Capone…
Let’s give him what he wants!
Sentence his ass to 11 years & a roaring case of neurosyphilis.
Something tells me the latter has already occurred.
Those spirochetes are leaving hole like a cork screw in his brain.
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I happened to be in my mother’s house when she called me to look at it live and there was zero mention on CNN of whether or not he would serve time over it. Sentencing in July.
Anyone know likelihood of jail time?
Slim chance. It’s his first offence (first conviction anyway) and a non violent crime. Can’t see the judge jailing him, especially given the logistics involved with the Secret Service having to protect him.
Cohen served time for this exact same crime in the exact same state. I think he was sentenced to 3 years and did 1.5 due to covid early release. That was also his first felony.
It’s fully possible he gets jail time.
I need this. I didn’t know how much I needed this until now.
No you don’t. It literally does not affect you.
Cohen got jail time for this crime.
This needs to be brought up every damned time this subject comes up. Cohen served time for the exact same crime - so what argument is there that Trump shouldn’t?
so what argument is there that Trump shouldn’t?
The American justice system has been successfully boiled down to a pay to play system and it’s unfair to not let other rich people go for more serious crimes, but not Trump .
I mean I don’t think they would be honest enough to run with that, but it’s the only argument I can think of that would be based on an unfortunate truth.
Everyone consciously or subconsciously knows the justice system works differently for different classes. The only reason anyone who leans right actually believes it could be a “witch hunt” is because no one has an iota of faith in the justice system. Sending a “billionaire” to jail is so rare that the possibility of it happening seems suspicious.
If one is being objective and not paying attention to his former job or publicity, he’s a first time offender convicted of non-violent offenses with a business footprint that makes him low risk for probation violation.
He would also place a burden on the penal system if incarcerated, and his current state of having round the clock law enforcement presence further lowers the likelihood that he goes to prison.On the flip side, he has done a lot to actively antagonize the person who will be mostly in charge of his fate, and he’s got a good month to build a body of evidence that says he’ll immediately disrespect probation.
So almost certainly not, but it’s not as close to zero as you would expect for a former president.
Cohen got prison time for the same exact crime, also a first offense. To my mind, being a former president should make them hold to to a higher standard, not a lesser one.
Cohen was convicted of tax evasion, bank fraud, and campaign finance crimes. Trump was not charged with any of these. So not the same crimes.
I don’t recall hearing a lot of evidence that Trump conspired with Cohen to evade Cohen’s income taxes, or to lie to Cohen’s bank.
I don’t think Trump is capable of making illegal campaign contributions to his own campaign. There are no limits on self funding an election campaign in this country.
Trump was convicted of campaign finance crimes, from the same incident though.
Negative. Trump was convicted of general business record crimes. Now these business record crimes are predicted in some other underlying crimes (including the campaign finance ones) that were not charged in the New York court. Trump was not charged with those underlying crimes, and he was not proven to be guilty of them. He was shown to be guilty in the business records case that sits on top.
Finally, I want to restate that Trump cannot ever be guilty of the same campaign violation that Cohen was convicted of, for a simple reason: like any American he is allowed to make unlimited contributions to his own campaign.
Maybe not, but it still sets a nice precedent that there is no magical spall-trap that will be spring if we convict a former president of crimes.
Now it just needs to be done for something he did in office.
When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are convicted felons.
That’s just not true
The GOP is sending their best
I get the sense that you’ve had this one in the chamber for a while
Couldn’t that be said of Biden? I’m not trying to make this partisan but only trying to posit a hypothesis. Democratic processes do not select qualified people.
An earlier article said the Trump team was hoping for a hung jury.
Guilty all 34 counts.
Certainly was a hung jury. Hung like a horse!
Google “trump rule 34” for more information!
I’m googling “Trump rule 34” but can’t find anything related to his trial. Can you link some relevant article?
Turn off SafeSearch. SafeSearch is a tool by the WOKE corporations to stop the SNOWFLAKES from seeing REAL news, learning the TRUTH and freaking out so that they DETRANSITION their GENDER
This is only going to be considered by the swing voters come the election.
Die hard Trumpers will double down. Die hard Republicans would never vote for a Democrat, so better a felon than a Liberal. Die hard Democrats would never have voted for him anyway.
People who flip between the two parties now have another thing to consider when casting their votes, and only their internal compass will direct them to Trump or Biden
Die hard Democrats would never have voted for him anyway.
The issue is not getting Democrats to not vote for Trump, the issue is getting Democrats to vote.
I have never read a headline that connected with me on such a deeply visceral level.
Kissenger finally dying was close. Probably be similar for me when Cheney, Gingrich and McConnell go too.
When McConnell bites it, I’m walking out of the kitchen at work and into the bar and buying everyone a round, along with myself. That will truly be a day of celebration.
LOCK HIM UP
Pfff the only thing achieved so far is speaking that he’s guilty. Of (of all things) not disclosing payment for sex. No prison, no drop from the ballot, so far nothing that’s actually useful.
I think that the best immediate thing that will come from this will be Trump rule 34 fanart. Or, who knows, I might be mistaken already…
In Florida, he can’t vote as a felon …
Doesn’t matter if Florida can still vote for him anyway.
This isn’t true. Florida doesn’t let felons vote, but that’s only from their state’s convictions. Florida’s law says that he follows the felony voting rules in the state he is a felon, which new York only stops felons from voting if they’re in jail
Do you guys think this matters to his voters/supporters?
There’s some evidence to suggest he’ll lose significant support: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48654-would-donald-trump-conviction-move-his-voters-evidence-from-past-present-bill-clinton-polls
But hard to know for sure.
I’m making a called shot of a drop into the 40’s for July’s polling.
He wont’ drop below 25%, ever. That’s his core. They may never support another candidate again.
However, dropping to high 30’s low 40’s only puts Trump back to par with Biden. Hardly a W, but at lease Biden would be back in the running.
They may never support another candidate again.
Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.
I mean it in a “There are still people who think gamestop is going to be a billion dollar stock” manner.
See: https://lemmy.world/c/gamestopstock
Cult/ Cargo cult level “They will never support another candidate again” is what I mean. They’ll write him in. They’ll have wild conspiracy theories. Not need to push. It will happen it on its own.
I would guess its around 25-30% of Republican voters. Its the conspiracy theory mind-set cutting backwards against those that seed it. There is no undoing this.
If Donald could please just die and they continue writing in his name for all future votes that would be great. They are the most ignorant and racist people within a party wholly committed to cultivating ignorant and racist voters.
Thats what I’m conjecturing. This is the cohort that thought JFK was going to show up to some event or something a few months ago.
A few months ago? Jesus Christ, I remember that dumb shit from the numerology crew and I had kinda lost track of them for a couple of years. This country would be so much better if they would throw their ballots in the trash. Here’s hoping.
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Anyone who gives a shit about Gaza probably should try to ensure the country doesn’t elect a Muslim Ban guy who wants to accelerate the genocide and deport anyone protesting it.
Some undecideds, sure. It only takes ten thousand voters in a couple swing states to change the outcome.
I mean, that could have been the difference in the 2016 election.
Remember when Clinton lost the election because the FBI didn’t find anything on her assistant’s laptop?
I mean she could have spent a weekend in Michigan. That was an unforced error.
She could have addressed her relationship with Goldman Sachs, and all the other banks that fucked over the entirety of the American people during the housing crisis that she earned millions upon millions giving “speeches” to.
She could have made an olive branch to the progressive caucus.
She could have not said “Sit down and shut up” to BLM activists.
There are a lot of things she could have done.
She could also not have stolen the fucking nomination from Sanders
Its fine though. The Supreme Court said they can rig their own primaries. /s
That’s all true, but she still would have won without the dramatic search of Huma Abadeen’s laptop.
I dont think that moved anyone. Like I really dont. The laptop thing was only interesting to Trump die-hards.
Maybe, but it happened right before the election. I observed noticeable shift in attitude. That’s not good evidence, I know, but Clinton’s polls which had been steady, took a 3% dip at the time and stayed down through election day.
People talked about the polls being off compared to the election, but the election matched the post-Comey polls pretty well. It’s only the polls that mixed pre-Comey data that were too high for Clinton.
Or, like, hear me out, the Democrats could have not nominated her and nominated someone who isn’t strongly disliked by both sides.
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To be fair, we elected a Bush twice, and if Sirhan Sirhan hadn’t shot Bobby we’d have had two Kennedies to go along with the Roosevelts and Adamses
It emboldens them because he already painted himself the victim, the outsider. He literally called it a witch hunt.
