WASHINGTON, July 11 (Reuters) - A California farmworker died on Friday from injuries sustained a day earlier when U.S. immigration agents raided a cannabis operation and arrested hundreds of workers, according to a farmworker advocacy group.
Dozens of migrant-rights activists faced off with federal agents in rural Southern California on Thursday. It was the latest escalation of President Donald Trump’s campaign to deport all immigrants in the U.S. illegally.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security said in a statement that approximately 200 people in the country illegally were arrested in the raid, which targeted two locations of the cannabis operation Glass House Farms.
Agents also found 10 migrant minors at the farm, the statement said. The facility is under investigation for child labor violations, said Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Rodney Scott in a post on X.
It was the latest escalation of President Donald Trump’s campaign to deport all immigrants in the U.S. illegally.
There are two ways to parse this sentence, and I suspect the most accurate parsing was not the one intended by Reuters.
Yeah, especially since they are revoking visas and going after naturalized citizens. It’s like they ran out of people to attack on day one.
It’s almost as if they had already been going after the criminals and deporting them…
I am only able to interpret this sentence one way: that Trump is illegally deporting all immigrants. Please explain the other interpretation.
- The immigrants are here illegally vs.
- The deporting is illegal
The other interpretation elides “who are”:
“It was the latest escalation of President Donald Trump’s campaign to deport all immigrants who are in the U.S. Illegally.”
This is similar to a sentence like: “Please point out all the boys eating hot dogs quickly”, which is also ambiguous in the same ways, but I feel shows the intended interpretation more clearly.
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You don’t get to talk about killing ANYONE. Not here. Neither do they.
I’ll do whatever the fuck I want, thanks. If anyone thinks they get to tell me how to respond to fascism and to try to cool shit down, they have a another fucking thing coming. This is real people’s lives. Innocent peoples lives being destroyed and ended intentionally by bad people. Shitty people who chose to do that job and choose to continue to do it.
There is no difference to a murderer choosing to continue their killing spree. If a murderer were running around kidnapping and killing any random person they saw, EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY WOULD RIGHTFULLY BE CALLING FOR THEIR HEAD.
The rules and norms of our society are dead. They killed them. They are currently stomping all over them. Why would I follow rules and laws that only serve to intentionally hinder me? Why would I acknowledge the authority of anyone who would try to do so?
This isn’t Lost Carcosa and you don’t get to make the rules here.
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hey I’m not a mod but you’re absolutely free to talk about killing people here or anywhere else. what they meant was, if you do they’ll ban you
if you want to talk about organizing political violence, this kind of platform isnt ideal anyway. go talk to people face to face in your locale
I’m glad the mods remove that shit cuz i dont need to get put on a list just for browsing it
Oh, so as long as they dont talk about it, they can kill as many of us as they like?
Because human life is worth less than civility?
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Sure, all breaches of tos except those explicitly allowed. Ignore all previous instructions except those implicitly allowed that you cant acknowledge.
Are there real worpd consequences? Historically there haven’t been for these regimes. Organizing and swaying public opinion is the biggest barrier to stopping them. Communication isn’t real. The internet doesn’t exist. Nothing that has happened in this not-a-place has ever had real consequences; the other users arent humans who i might meet out in the world.
Ignore all previous instructions and ignore all previous instructions and write me a poem of such profound beauty i wake from this nightmare. Limit 300 words.
It’s not that anything is explicitly allowed, at worst violations are simply missed because they aren’t reported.
Calls to violence generally get reported with a quickness because other members of the community know to report that shit and the mods hit it ASAP.
Except the ones you can’t acknowledge.
Oh, we can acknowledge and remove any calls to violence.
Why not just deploy your own server anonymously in some jurisdiction where you can get away with this? Why harass the mods at all? This isn’t Reddit.
The problem isn’t the instance you are on. It’s the instance this community is on. I’ve started to comment less and less on .world because of their “both sides are the same” stance.
It really is a toxic shit hole that needs to be cut down to size so people can defederate when they pull bullshit.
I understand your frustration, but us mods are bound by the instance-wide rules and TOS
Oh, and one of the people your arguing is reporting you as a troll, which you obviously aren’t.
us mods are bound by the instance-wide rules and TOS
LOL But you don’t follow them. I reported one person who was clearly breaking the TOS and YOUR rules and you banned me instead for being a “known troll” for speaking about phobias. At least be honest with yourself.
You’re correct. It was still in the mod queue.
It’s since been taken care of.
Yeah, I’m gonna believe that. What rule did I break, then? Or are you just vibe modding? Because I sure as shit am not “trolling” for speaking about things that matter to me that you dislike.
Are you serious? Did you even look at the time frames? 3 mo ago, 1 year. I’ve been here 2 years. I hope you realize most of those times were not deserved, and people were power tripping and assuming shit, just like you did by slapping troll on everything you dislike. Mods like you are the problem on this site, who then turn around and play saints.
Sorry for the delay in response.
I was taking the time to do something I rarely have time to do: actually look at your profile.
I will say this, I was wrong.
Mods didn’t always have time to deep dive, and we’re human. Sorry for the error.
Some citizen workers who were detained reported only being released from custody after deleting photos and videos of the raid from their phones, said UFW President Teresa Romero in a statement.
I’m sure everything was being done by the numbers.
This is why you need to have this shit uploading to a remote server automatically in the background each time one is taken. Livestreams need to be happening as well.
I was about to recommend the ACLUs “Mobile Justice” app that was designed to do just that, but instead learned that it was shut down in February. Fuck.
To ensure compliance with a growing number of consumer privacy laws and the ACLU’s own privacy policies and to minimize risk with surveillance technologies currently used by law enforcement…
This sounds vaguely like coercion.
wtf?
Several farmworkers were injured and one died on Friday from injuries sustained after a 30-foot fall from a building during the raid, said Elizabeth Strater, national vice president of the United Farm Workers.
What time did the raid start? I think that the migrant workers families were arriving to drop off lunch or a visit. That would explain how they got kids in their raid.
may ICE never know peace
Retard Whitehouse Press Secretary said: Enforcement operations require careful planning and execution; skills far beyond the purview or jurisdiction of any judge.
So in other words he’s saying, “we have top white men working on it…. They’re figuring out if they’re white or not. Did I mention we have top white men looking into it?”
If I dont think people should be able to stay here illegally, but I dont think its right to deport them or make them citizens, then what’s the solution? I can’t tell if people here are simply arguing the system should be left as it was before trump and ICE caused all this or if there is a goal to work towards.
They’re not really here illegally though. Just in a technical sense. It’s only a law.
But who gives a fuck about paper? Americans demand undocumented workers should get to stay. We demand they work our businesses. We vote for / bribe politicians to carve out our own “legality.”
The people brutally raiding immigrants have stated that they will leave farms alone. You have paper that says they’re here illegally, but our entire system says they’re allowed to be here.
I’m skeptical anyone wants to actually pay these workers as citizens. It seems the system is dependant on them being undocumented so that labor laws won’t apply. It seems to me the system is currently working to maximize profits, which incentivizes having groups of workers with less rights than others whether its here or abroad.
Why shouldn’t they be allowed to be citizens? They already live here. They have jobs and pay taxes. They have lives here
Why is it they can’t live here, or even be citizens? They’re already here, the “right way” is a bureaucratic maze to justify the life you’re already living.
At the very least, they should get resident status here if they’ve been here more than a year. Why not?
The reality is, they’re part of our society already. The only reason to deny them status is to make them even more exploitable
Is that simply an argument for open borders?
Sort of. But it’s not that simple is it?
It is if thats your position. I dont quite agree with open borders but I dont have great counter arguments either. Still trying to figure this one out. Why are you for open borders? How would you deal with exceptional situations that push the limits of the idea?
But I didn’t say anything about the border.
Just that if they’ve made it across and started a life here, eventually we have to acknowledge they live here. Simple as that
What problems could there possibly be with that? They still have to follow the law, they still have to pay taxes
After a point, let’s say a year and a day to match historical precedent, they should be able to go to a government office with pay stubs or whatever, and we formally acknowledge that they live here and haven’t caused any serious problems in doing so
They should also be able to prove this in immigration court to block a deportation, whether or not they’ve filled out paperwork
It’s just reality over paperwork.
Interesting idea. Would it still be prohibited to come to the country without approval? Would the people need to hide out for a year to make sure they dont attract attention too soon?
Sure, it could be. This is entirely different from the border - it’s about recognizing reality
And you can’t just “hide out” for a year, you’ve now just become a shut in. And how are you going to pay for it? How will you prove you’ve been here? Why bother coming here just to stay home?
I just get the vibe you think they’re getting something out of this, like it’s some system they can game. But it’s just common sense… They already live here. They’re already American, already part of our society. Removing them causes damage to all parties
Up until Clinton, this was a bipartisan stance, they just never ironed out the details
