two of our offices have 5 day return to office policies. we’ve been told that those coworkers will have less availability and productivity by management. they also are clearly stressed by taking calls in traffic and commuting generally. and not just gas, but vehicle repair, maintenance, and, as a coworker experienced recently, regular replacement means RTO is a pay decrease. i mean, i’m privileged to ride a bike, but i still need to do maintenance and would have to do more if i was in the office every day.
and when i say “two of our offices”, i mean across time zones, so their day as well as mine involves most meetings being over a video call, for which they are more often late or have to be accounted for.
anyone who thinks this is about productivity gains or employee wellbeing has the kind of job where they’re not really expected to produce anything.
Out of curiosity as a foreigner, when you say “in the city” in London, does that mean London, or the City of London, or is it an “it depends” kinda situation?
And I’m sure that you, being from the UK, know the difference already, but I’m leaving this explanation here in case someone else reading this ends up one of today’s lucky 10,000
Yes sorry, I meant City of London I. E. the finance/banking area. But even then it’s not strictly correct as alot of that industry are ou at Canary Wharf.
It is yes another silly situation the UK has got itself into!!!
I would love to have a real take from one of these managers/bosses what their brain-wiring is to make them double down on the single worst idea out there.
It’s fascinating (ofc soul crushing too), what kind of humans need that. Why? It’s crazy. Maybe they don’t have the faintest idea of what is supposed to happen in a team, what productivity really is, what even work really is, and they are scared to death that they can be called out, and thus doubles down on any power they can grab.
Or those kind of positions attract soulless people without empathy.
I’m really curious about how bad it is (I lived through it) and how it is able to stay in place.
Previous company not only did rto but also did the whole open concept garbage. I lucked into one of the best jobs of my career around that time and have not looked back (full remote, some on site for physical hardware but nothing at any sort of cadence)
two of our offices have 5 day return to office policies. we’ve been told that those coworkers will have less availability and productivity by management. they also are clearly stressed by taking calls in traffic and commuting generally. and not just gas, but vehicle repair, maintenance, and, as a coworker experienced recently, regular replacement means RTO is a pay decrease. i mean, i’m privileged to ride a bike, but i still need to do maintenance and would have to do more if i was in the office every day.
and when i say “two of our offices”, i mean across time zones, so their day as well as mine involves most meetings being over a video call, for which they are more often late or have to be accounted for.
anyone who thinks this is about productivity gains or employee wellbeing has the kind of job where they’re not really expected to produce anything.
5 day is brutal, my friend in the city (London’s finance sector) has this and it’s therefore more restrictive than it ever was before covid.
He has something like a day a month where he can elect in advance to WFH for specific reasons.
It creates scenarios where a friend in the US drives 40 minutes just to swipe his card/ go have breakfast and then heads home again
Out of curiosity as a foreigner, when you say “in the city” in London, does that mean London, or the City of London, or is it an “it depends” kinda situation?
And I’m sure that you, being from the UK, know the difference already, but I’m leaving this explanation here in case someone else reading this ends up one of today’s lucky 10,000
Yes sorry, I meant City of London I. E. the finance/banking area. But even then it’s not strictly correct as alot of that industry are ou at Canary Wharf.
It is yes another silly situation the UK has got itself into!!!
I would love to have a real take from one of these managers/bosses what their brain-wiring is to make them double down on the single worst idea out there.
It’s fascinating (ofc soul crushing too), what kind of humans need that. Why? It’s crazy. Maybe they don’t have the faintest idea of what is supposed to happen in a team, what productivity really is, what even work really is, and they are scared to death that they can be called out, and thus doubles down on any power they can grab.
Or those kind of positions attract soulless people without empathy.
I’m really curious about how bad it is (I lived through it) and how it is able to stay in place.
Previous company not only did rto but also did the whole open concept garbage. I lucked into one of the best jobs of my career around that time and have not looked back (full remote, some on site for physical hardware but nothing at any sort of cadence)
Real estate prices and sunk cost fallacy