So does that lock out not only deGoogled Android devices, but also Huawei smartphones?
Recaptcha has gone to “make sure you’re not a robot” to “make sure you’re not blocking Google’s ad revenue”.
If they don’t earn money with your information, you are a liability
Likely illegal in the EU; somebody should bring this to the attention of applicable authorities when it scales.
Not a lawyer, but this sounds antitrust here in the States too.
Ahahahahahahahaha. If only we had people to protect us from that
I’ve been on the fence as to what my next phone will be based on the specs, Pixel or Moto, with GrapheneOS.
No freakin way is Google getting any of my money.
Time to investigate the I2P network and spend less time on the clearweb.
No freakin way is Google getting any of my money.
So problem solved. Get the Moto.
I thought I was clear about that.
What is supposed to happen with desktops here? If they require a phone to pass the captcha on the desktop that is already a huge issue and many people will complain about that regardless of play services.
IDK but recapatch hasn’t worked for me on desktop. Since like… forever.
What happens is… I click the squares that contains the stairs. Or motorcycles, traffic lights, buses, w/e. Try to guess whether a sq counts if there are like 2 pixels of railing. Is railing part of the stairs? IDK. Doesn’t matter tho. Google rejects anything I try and displays another captcha. Same result with that one. Fucking endlessly. It will NEVER let me past. I’ve tried some dozens in a row.
I think that is because G can’t ID me to a particular human. So it does not matter how I answer them. “You shall not pass.” G had a patent on “endless rejection” techniques. Instead of an outright block, it presents you with infinite unsolvable captchas.
Someone once analyzed web based recapatcha. Their conclusion was, G isn’t trying to figure out whether you are human. It’s trying to figure out WHICH human you are. It’s identity resolution, not bot detection. If it can’t get a high enough confidence estimate, you get denied. Sometimes with infinite captchas.
Yay. Let’s make this asshole company the gatekeeper to the fucking internet.
Have you considered the possibility you are a robot? /s
There are other captcha providers. If only companies would start using them instead of Google.
Have you considered the possibility you are a robot? /s
Hmmm. It would come as a surprise. I’m willing to consider it tho. :D
Yeah I’ve had better luck with non-G captchas. Many of those work. There’s some sliding puzzle piece one that works fine.
Long run, I wonder if captchas are a dead end. AIs can learn to solve them as well as ppl can. So what remains is to mimic the signatures of a human. Little jitters in mouse movements. Or variations in timing. But AIs can easily learn those too. So we end up with many real humans excluded, while many bots get in.
Someone once analyzed web based recapatcha. Their conclusion was, G isn’t trying to figure out whether you are human. It’s trying to figure out WHICH human you are. It’s identity resolution, not bot detection. If it can’t get a high enough confidence estimate, you get denied. Sometimes with infinite captchas.
I’d be interested in reading/watching if you can recall the source.
Tryin to trawl through my saved bookmarks… it might(???) have been this link. But when I try it now, it’s an invalid URL. It was years ago. Maybe the site or domain wasn’t kept up. So I’m not completely sure that was even the right URL.
https://hfet.org/google-recaptcha-privacy-nightmare/
I searched just now and found a few sites mirroring the claim. But they did not have the technical breakdown. Here’s something from The Register.
That story claims too, the more you are in google’s ecosystem, the easier you can pass the recaptcha. For example, Chrome users get past easer than Firefox.
I do have working a link about the infinite captcha block technique! Blocking via an unsolvable CAPTCHA. Warning, google domain. Goes to patents.google.
@iturnedintoanewt @LeapSecond If AluminumOS takes off, desktops are going to be Google’s next destruction target.
That’s a big if though, considering that Chromebooks didn’t exactly take off either.
starting to feel sorta like a cornered animal on this one.
organized ddos campaign when.
Feels like a class action waiting to happen… However, it’d likely only result in a slap-on-the-wrist fines and no action taken.
i’m afraid we’d have to come up with something
So not only google is trying yo crush fdroid, they’re also trying to crush anything without google services. I really wish the EU moved immediately on this one…
And if AluminumOS succeeds, your desktop will succumb to the same thing, as Google will view Windows, Mac, and Linux as a threat at that point and do everything to stamp out all three.
Like, how soon before doing anything at all on desktop is considered ‘suspicious activity’ by Google?
In the very bright future ahead, your neural implant will immediately alert the police the moment you try to operate a dust covered computer or old handheld smartphone so they can be confiscated. No personal computing allowed. Only terrorists and psychopaths run software on hardware they own, they’ll say, and doing so makes you suspect.
Wouldn’t surprise me. It’s a good thing the attic at work is a graveyard of old servers and PCs…I might rehome some
The tv show dune prophecy has a subplot about not using intelligent machines due to the risk of losing control. It was before the general anxiety about AI. I wonder if they will lean into that. A big part of the plot is also about tracking everyone via their dna and prompting outcomes based on that knowledge.
Can I run an android vm around this
Sure. As long as you don’t plan on using anything much online with it. Any connection that triggers a captcha will be un-passable without play services installed.
