They want to prosecute peope in open court so using the NSA to id people would be inconvenient (but not impossible).

These articles are silly. It’s not like ICE has any KPIs they have to hit or standards is conduct or effectiveness. They just have to sit there and occasionally hassle or abduct brown people. They’ll be fine.

I am not sure how abstinence only being the only acceptable option is any better than it being the best option.

The distinction is important because perpetuating their only acceptable option despite it being demonstrably ineffective indicates that child welfare is not the primacy concern in play.

Again being Pro-life does not necessarily mean that they will vote for dismantling social services.

And yet, despite it not being necessarily true it is absolutely true in every practical sense in reality.

I simply don’t understand why you insist on assuming that they are lying.

I simply don’t understand why you insist on taking political talking points as 100 percent sincere instead of looking at the tangible actions being taken in this space.

Is that not what you are doing? You are blaming them for voting how they do.

You don’t even know what to do with this definition after quoting it. If course I “blame” them for voting how they do. Is assigning someone responsibility for their actions “demonizing” them? Lol. You’re lost in the sauce bruh.

Ultimately I think we have reached that 3rd situation. I have decided that nothing I say is going to change your mind on this and am choosing to walk away.

Other countries are able to have this discussion in far more healthy and productive ways. Instead of being content with your one insight that prolife and pro-choice are talking past each other, I suggest you ask yourself why that is, and why this positioning of the discussion is basically unique to the US. There’s a whole wide world out there.

But, before I do that, I think you have lost what my original argument was about. I am asserting that the abortion debate will never end due to each side arguing about disparate things.

Since you’re apparently lost, I’ll make I’ll summarize - the two sides talking past each other is how this issue was engineered. This is a manufactured debate designed for political purposes, and not for the welfare of kids. There’s a reason this nonsense took hold in the US and nowhere else in the western world.

But this ignores one of their central beliefs; that abstinence only is the best education to reduce abortions.

They absolutely don’t believe that lol. They believe it is the only acceptable option (even it demonstrably doesn’t work).

Next you talk about dismantling social safety nets. From looking at a few Pro-life groups many of them do not really talk about changing social services for kids at all. The ones that do talk about increasing education, providing counseling, and promoting adoption as an option. I think what the misunderstanding might be is that many people who are Pro-life are also republican who also believe in a reduction of government social services in favor of private services. This assignment of belief is not transferable. What I mean by this is that being Pro-life does not necessarily equate to wanting to dismantle social safety nets.

I simply don’t understand why you insist on taking what everyone says at face value while ignoring their actual actions - how they vote.

Last thing that you mentioned that I want to comment on is about single-issue voters. Of course I would encourage people to be aware about all the issues that affect them. But I do not agree with the demonization of single-issue voters.

I’m not demonizing them lol. I’m calling them stupid. If you’re a single issue voter, you are completely captive. The guy who embodies your one key issue can do anything else they want because they know they have you. Single issue voters always end up being suckers in there end.

I think I agree, but I really don’t think it matters. What, are Trump’s ideas coherent or something? What I trust is Bernie’s overall intent. He’s kind of unique in this way because of his decades of consistent political sctivism. Had Bernie been elected in 2016 somehow and we got 8 years of Bernie, the US would still be a capitalist society. It just might be slightly better one.

I think a great example of naive ideas that have dominated political discussion on the left is student loan forgiveness. Like I’m not opposed - if PPP loan forgiveness is acceptable then student loan forgiveness is infinitely more acceptable. No brainer. But the complete lack of discussion about structural reform to the college tuition situation that causes people to need such huge student loans in the first place makes me think that the whole issue was to some extent controlled opposition.

You could have gotten 100 percent student loan forgiveness - the whole thing passed and done and student loans would immediately start to pile up again the next day. Probably even higher tuition too.

You don’t actually expect me to believe that you think all Pro-life people believe that children don’t deserve a good home. Sure there might be some people out there like that. But it’s much more likely that the majority of people do actually care.

Instead of appealing to your own incredulity, perhaps you could just look at the other actions of the people involved. If the people claiming to be Pro Life to prevent child murder, they would take actions to prevent that outcome through comprehensive sex education and contraceptive availability. Most of them don’t. They would also not vote to annihilate social safety nets for children once they are born. Most of them do. Taking those into account suggests that child welfare is not the only or even the dominant goal of the movement.

If your entire argument is that there exists some pro life people who care about these things then sure, you “win” that’s not relevant to the overall situation. The dominant views and actions of the pro life movement in the US stem from a concerted effort to create a political wedge and to create captive single-issue voters. It worked.

The US is not unique here in its diversity of views. All across the world people (even pro-choice people) don’t “like” abortion. There is no preference for it. It is for most people a (very) necessary evil. But most western countries have managed to deal with the the abortion issue in a healthier and effective way that is more aligned with the stated goals of the pro life movement than what the actual pro life movement has managed in the US.

Acting like this is some free, open ethical debate devoid of political manipulation between people trying to save children and people trying to maintain women’s bodily autonomy is hopelessly naive.

Trump allies control most of the media so it won’t be.

The Ayatollah’s son who just took over is known for being even more of a hardliner (good luck Iranian protesters) AND the US and Israel just killed his both of his parents and his wife. So yeah definitely much victory, much win.

The lack of investment in more production capacity for RAM is based on a roughly 3-year horizon for this insane extra AI demand.

Creating workable consumer-grade alternatives with delay line memory of all things would take longer than that, and the market would collapse the moment AI demand for RAM dried up. This is one of those things that is theoretically possible but due to both technology and market conditions will absolutely not be a thing.

Why is the thumbnail Garry Kasparov lol

The only thing holding a lot of Americans back from violence is the knowledge that that’s exactly the excuse the regime wants to declare martial law and suspend elections.

The only things holding Americans back from violence are relatively abundant food, entertainment and comfort. All of which will still continue to exist once free elections are gone. Plus what they replace them with will be branded super duper free elections, and that will be enough for a lot of people.

There is little to no evidence that the 1/3rd of eligible voters who didn’t vote in Nov 2024 are any more engaged with what is happening than they were back then.

All they have to do is orchestrate this coup in a somewhat intelligent way that doesn’t immediately collapse the economy and they can absolutely pull it off.

Most Americans are not going to fight for abstract rights when their immediate tangible needs are being met.

That is a potential solution for people looking to resolve the situation. They don’t want to do that, they just want to effectively ban trans people from public spaces by making both bathroom options wrong/dangerous.

Even the old school chuds on bodybuilding.com would go for the chicken AND broccoli diet. Idk what the point is of completely foregoing fiber.

It also helps if they’re actually guilty of crimes that the president can hold over them to ensure loyalty.

It basically doesn’t matter if she resigns or not. Whoever takes her place will be decided by Trump who will just want someone who will cover up the worst of the Epstein files, run cover to ICE misconduct, and never prosecute those who bribe Trump. Whether it’s Bondi or not barely matters.

Paid with what? Who stops him from demanding more, and how are they paid and with what? Billionaire power comes from currency that is spendable on a large open market. The market doesn’t exist anymore.

Why will the handyman keep coming?

Look dude I get it you really like Elon

0/10 reading comprehension.

but he’s a criminal and deserves to go to jail or hang for the thousands of people who died due to his USAID cuts.

Agreed.

I’m done with this conversation and you

Cool but what I was saying is that you’ll never pin any of this on him because he managed to do all the damage he did without committing a crime. The fact that this was possible is itself the problem . You haven’t even engaged with what the actual problem is, you’re just reacting emotionally.

What crimes? Name them. And how they would be proven beyond a reasonable doubt? Remember, all he has to do is create reasonable doubt. These guys have staff who will literally do nothing much make sure that doubt exists. Name one specific order he gave ar DOGE that is verifiable - one order that he definitely gave, that a specific person definitely followed. You can’t do it. Prosecutors won’t be able to either.

If anything there will be more of a case against government workers for following instructions from people who had no legal authority to give them.

This is why granting someone power completely outside of legal bounds - outside of any laws that govern the cabinet - is a really really bad idea.

Lol dude even the prison from Andor needs maintenance staff who aren’t prisoners to operate and fix shit. This model doesn’t work when prisoners and the prison are all there is.