I pay myself in handjobs.

I get that but it’s still weird. If that pile of shit had been my first introduction to reddit I’d have never stuck around.

I truly cannot understand how anyone can use new reddit. It is worse by every metric.

I just gonna go live in the woods and take up bird watching or something.

We could always fold to their demands

They have DNA.

That’s what I expect of them. That’s why I said it. Getting bullied was far more damaging to me than anything I ever encountered on the Internet.

My point was you can’t just restrict the kids access to the Internet, you have to also make sure they’re able to hang out with their peers. There has to be a balance between giving them the freedom to do shit and sheltering them.

All their peers are on discord shit talking them for being the weirdo that can’t do anything. While I agree that it needs to happen, fixing this is going to require more than just individuals restricting their own kids. It’s going to take a collective effort, requiring a decent time investment, from all parents or at least enough of them to ensure their children have a decent social network. I’m not optimistic with how fucked up and exhausting every single aspect of life has become. There are things politicians could focus on to actually improve the situation but they’d rather cater to all the data stealing corporations.

Whoever’s currently responsible for the kid should be responsible for watching them and keeping them out of shit they shouldn’t be getting into. Expecting everyone else to put up with this privacy invading shit is fucking stupid.

Despite all of us collectively agreeing that the law is dumb/flawed, the 40 M residents of Cali should have the liberty to be able to use distros that depend on systemd, legally. And, the developers of these distros using systmed (whether you interpret the law to see them as OS providers or not) want to be able to provide these distros legally.

Disagree, they should deal with the consequences of electing mentally deficient legislators. But even so. They could make a fork that meets californias requirements and leaves the rest of us out of it. No reason the whole god damn world should be dragged down with one shitty state.

Just because systemd merged this code does not inherently result in every single user application querying this, nor does it force you to install apps that do query the API. One may freely choose to not use apps that require it. If one needs an app that requires it, one may set a garbage DOB to their user. I don’t see this as an issue. Do you?

Not every app that does this will have a viable alternative that doesn’t. And yes there is an issue, putting in a fake DOB isn’t a sure bet because what if some of the apps that you must use that start utilizing this API are comparing their info against yours for some kind of verification purpose, while you also must use another app that uses it that you do not want to provide your DOB to? You can’t have it both ways with this system.

The difference is using a centralized point on the OS that is designed to hand that info out to anyone that requests it, vs each app prompting the user and storing that info in a profile that is hopefully encrypted if they are doing things right and NOT designed to hand it out to anything else.

It would still exist. It would just use different methods. Such as the apps that need it asking for it themselves as they do now and you having to enter it into a prompt rather than querying some data store on your PC without your knowledge. Not that this IS actually age verification anyway so the entire discussion is moot.

The only way the field would be used is if a person decided to use a different piece of software that wants a birthdate.

It leave the door open for this to happen. A malicious software may not advertise that it is harvesting your demographic information. Now that this is in place it’s one more thing we have to worry about when evaluating software. There is absolutely no reason to be storing PII in a centralized spot where anything and everything can request it. If I want an app to have any of that shit I’ll enter it on a case by case basis.

You can say “well don’t put it in there” but what happens when big monopolistic corporations start requiring it to use some service of theirs that you don’t have an alternative for? Now I have to maintain a separate PC for that shit? Fuck that.

Its not leaving a lot of choice if it’s part of systemd and I’d wager far more people do not want this than were asking for it. There’s no benefit to it except for the government and corporations that want your data.

It doesn’t guarantee anything, but does open the door for it. Now that this functionality exists, apps are going to start using it and requiring it. It’s now something we all have to worry about and compensate for going forward.

If you’re not putting accurate information in there why have it at all? Why argue in favor of it? There is literally no benefit to having this shit other than to comply with a bullshit law that they could get around by simply blocking California users from downloading their OS (this wouldn’t actually work because peer to peer exists, but it would eliminate the OS developers responsibility in the situation).

It’s possible to put your full first and last name into your user, so by your logic the first and last name fields of the user profile should not exist.

Agreed

How is having a centralized store of all your demographic information where any app can query it on your OS a privacy concern? Are you serious? Maybe people don’t want to send their personal information to every single god damn thing that asks for it?

Example:

The Datastealingassholes app wants your data

Without this: You are prompted to enter your DOB in a field, decide fuck no, and that’s that.

With this: They query the data store on your OS and they have whatever they want without input from you. Maybe the app is run by a bad actor trying to spy on you. They already have your DOB. It just confirmed for them that YOU are the person operating this PC.

What benefit is there to have it? The only purpose it serves is to create privacy concerns.

This field will NEVER affect you unless you choose to install software on your system that requires it.

If the field did not exist software could not be made to utilize it.

It’s not just a simple disagreement. They are allowing invasion of our privacy. If he didn’t want people pissed at him he shouldn’t have folded. We are dealing with government overreach on every front. Now is not the time to be giving up ground. I don’t think he deserves death threats but if he’s not with us he’s against us.

It’s giving an inch. We shouldn’t be doing that. We should be fighting tooth an nail against every single aggression against our privacy. They’ve already taken far too much.