I much prefer a client for usability reasons. My email provider has a poor web ui. I guess I’d need to change my email address to get round it. I tried the google web enail which was also bad. But google never care about UX. It also needed to refresh a web page on each click, where the client app is instant.

I can work offline.

So long! And thanks for the memory.

There are no cli commands that I can use in my drawing and 3D modelling applications. Or when working with complex schematics. Where things don’t often have names. It would be unproductive to leave the app to go to the terminal, type in ‘the blue thing in the top right, No the dark blue one…’ then come back to the app to see the result.

Also, not all user types are the same. Visual users need different things from text users. That’s basic usability.

We’re not all IT people with no interest in UX.

I never use the terminal. It’s not necessary for me. I’m not an IT user. I’m not missing out on anything. Many things I do don’t even have a terminal command. It’s important new users know this if they are not in to IT.

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Todays desktops from commercial and open source are all stuck in the legacy, file-app-document world. The tired old, paper inspired, pre-Internet, pre-mobile way of working. PDFs, online silos, 10 different UIs to get simple things done.

Commercial companies want to keep their monopolies and don’t want to spend on any development.

FOSS Communities have little clue of what the next generation user information space will look like. And will likely copy the commercial world again when it all kicks off.

The terminal is not a good way to interact with visual tasks such as drawing, 3D modelling, and working on complex schematics or where things don’t have names. Especially where the typical type of user is a visual, not a text thinker. Its not efficient to leave your working environment to go to the terminal and back either. And text thinkers are often not good at those visual tasks. So I’m not expecting terminal commands to appear in areas where I spend much of my time. I, like many, are not in IT.

Does it come in a special container to attach to some huge headphones. So people can see how serious I am about perfect sound whilst on the underground trains.

I want some of that mud!

I need a good DE for launching apps and switching tasks. As a mouse user I found Gnome poor in launching apps. Huge mouse movements needed, and hard to lay out the launcher apps as I need them compared to Plasma. Id consider Gnome if I found a suitable replacement launcher. It would need favourites, category navigation and search.

I never do any of that. I’m sure a lot of non IT people don’t either. At best they’d get an app to do specialised tasks for them. Sadly too many gatekeepers tell people considering Linux, they must use the command line. But I never use it. So that’s clearly not true for normal users.

People do use it differently. I never use the CLI on Windows or Linux. I’m not in IT. I just do everyday user things. Many of which don’t even have a CLI command.

> i get made fun of a lot.

Yes. They don’t understand you need a way that works for you. We are all different. There is no one-size-fits-all.

Different user types have different capabilities. Some think in terms of text. Others are more visual. Neither is wrong. Just like a left handed person is not wrong. Good usability is about adapting the software to the person. Not the person to the software. For a lot of what I do there is no text command. And for many, the CLI is an unfamiliar interface. So it’s a productivity disadvantage to switch over to a CLI just for a single command when the rest of the time you are in a GUI.

Yes. I agree these chatbots are another text interface like a CLI. So to me that’s again a barrier to usability when I wish to refer to graphical or linked logical items on my screen that don’t have any text description. I don’t work in a purely text world, where usually there are no CLI commands for what im doing.

Its likely these people find a chat bot easier as they don’t need to memorise a command plus modifiers exactly letter perfect. Where one mistype can fail, or worse. Two big issues people have with a CLI. And the chatbot output is made readable too. Where on a CLI it’s hard to know if something worked, not being familiar with the terminology it spits out.

Yes it is possible. I never need the terminal. If you are interested, you can usually find a GUI way if you look for one. Some people just don’t look, then tell people there is no GUI for it. Not very helpful for newbies.

For those not into usability, different people work in different ways. Visual workers are not the same as text workers. So for some, CLI has poor usability and productivity. For lots of things I do, there isn’t a CLI anyway.

I use Kubuntu these days. It could be better.

Software and hardware companies look at the market share to decide if its worth making a Linux version. If linux has a chunk of the market it becomes viable.

This is one issue on the topic. It was changed by nate to the kup application, then marked incorrectly as a duplicate. Backing up should be possible with most applications. Today none can do it. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513001

I wouldn’t wish Windows 11 on anyone. More people on linux means better driver support and more main applications. And better open standards support.

I’ve reported it several times. KDE just keep closing it as a duplicate of a totally different bug.

It’s in our interest to have good usability to encourage Linux use for a broader range of people. Mounting needs to be discoverable, and done in a few clicks. Command line, and typing magic words into fstab is a definite no-no for people who never work that way for everything else they do.

The strange thing is, why did KDE miss this critical step for backups?

I’m looking for a solution that non IT users can easily do.They will not discover that, or know exactly what to type in. This is something that should be very easy for people. It really needs a setting or command in a Dolphin menu.