Sufficiently motivated reasoning is indistinguishable from insanity

I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make anymore. Let’s cut this thread honestly it’s long enough.

“I genocided your brothers and bombed your schools and seiged you but please don’t hit my military targets cause I put them in densely populated areas”

Your humanitarian principle requires everyone in the world to basically allow themselves to be attacked by America, it’s European lapdogs and the zionist occupation.

From a legal and military standpoint your logic is simply absurd.

Reading comprehension curse strikes again

I have never once advocated for the deliberate targeting of civilians and have specified again and again that warfighting should be between militaries.

The implication here is: “You people are detached, soft, and incapable of understanding real war.”

No the implication is that westerners love killing civilians so much that they forget that wars are fought between militaries. I’ll be more clear about this next time.

That’s not an argument. That’s a moral superiority pose.

You want an argument? It’s trivial to give one. All western countries have been involved in warmongering in west asia since before I was born. There is full justification for any group in west asia to launch attacks on western military assets.

Even under international law (which western militaries refuse to follow), retaliating against military attacks is fully allowed. America and its zionist occupation of Palestine attacked Iran (military targets and civilians), and even inside its borders and capital city*. The Iranian state has every right to bomb any American military target, even if it were inside US border.

*this isn’t the first time either. The Americans did this last year, and even in trump’s 1rst term

minimizing the reality that modern warfare absolutely does kill civilians

Sure, there are civilians casualties from war. So should America be allowed to bomb and genocide whoever they want with no one fighting back?

Civilian harm is a central moral and legal issue in contemporary conflict. That’s not Western fragility. That’s international humanitarian law.

Lmao western militaries do not give a single fuck about civilians or collateral damage or international law. You really want to present the butchers of gaza as some sort of hippies in 2026?

Are westerners only able to conceptualise the killing of civilians? Are they so far removed from having normal countries that they forget that wars are fought between armies?

Yeah it’s a good thing when fascist states get bombed. You’d be the kind to both sides WW2 if it was socially acceptable to go to bat for the nazis

It is not random bombing. It is targeted because fuck the German state in particular. They should have a taste of their own medicine and have their military assets/factories bombed.

My original point wasn’t that anti-imperialism exists outside class analysis, but that in neo-colonial conditions, the form class struggle takes must be strategically sequenced.

Absolutely. Even outside of neo-colonial conditions I would argue this. Revolution is not a one and done deal, nor can any class afford to fight a war on all fronts against everyone at once.

This is a tactical necessity to isolate the primary enemy. To elevate the domestic “rich” as the immediate target while imperialist powers actively undermine sovereignty is to misidentify the principal contradiction and risk strengthening the external oppressor.

Not only that, but “rich” is a poor term that cannot be properly defined. The proletariat must be clear that the class boundaries lie in the ownership of industrial and mercantile/financial capital, not in some tax bracket.

However, there is a situation in which it makes sense for the loser classes to depose the upper classes even under colonial conditions. That’s if the national ruling class is too incompetent or collaborationist. I believe the overthrowing of the Qing dynasty can be such an example. Of course, this does not apply to modern day Iran.

The struggle against imperialism and neocolonism is class struggle.

On one side is the international bourgeoise and national bourgeoises (of many countries), on the other side is the national bourgeoise (of some countries), the proletariat, peasantry and indigenous populations.

(The class conflict is most complicated than that but I’m just making a point)

True. But class comes is not a binary.

The passengers are soldiers who signed up to go kill people. They aren’t innocent.

The DNC were mass murdering and war mongering and upgrading the surveillance state as hard as the republicans are. The only thing they’ve been somewhat different on is that the republicans are more willing to attack trans people. That’s just about it. On every other front the capitalists have been capitaling. Even on tariffs, Biden increased tariffs and continued trump’s trade wars.

The bourgeois world-empire marches on regardless of who is king, for their king is a mere reflection in the mirror.

“No matter how remote it may be”

These people practically did everything in their power to make such an alliance a reality.

This won’t be an attritional war in terms of bodies tho. A land invasion of US troops is unlikely. Killing those troops instead instills fear in troops and makes the US public recoil.

Maybe even a

Dictatorship of the bourgeoise

ICE concentration camps but with pride flags attached 😍

The ongoing deployment includes the stationing of dozens of aircraft including F‑15 strike fighters, F‑35 stealth fighters, Boeing EA‑18G Growler electronic‑warfare aircraft, and A‑10C ground‑attack aircraft at a military airbase in Jordan—despite the Jordanian government’s recent insistence that its territory would not be used as a base to attack Iran.

Frankly, the Iranian military should have done something about the US vassals first. Idk what, I’m not a general. An attack? Economic pressure? But like seriously, something gotta be done about these collaborating mfs because without them, the US is severely restrained in their fighting strength against Iran.

It’s not even a matter of belligerence, since the zionists are already the aggressors.

Yeah I suppose it is better to have made an actual argument instead of just “owning” the commenter, and you are correct, it is not merely an attempted genocide, which would be something like a guy in the government trying to organise a genocide but failing to organise and accomplish anything.

Attempted genocide

Screw my previous comment.

As FunkyStuff says, It is a genocide unquestionably. Millions of lives have been lost around the world due to US sabotage warfare (which the libs love to call “sanctions”) that uses the US hegemony power to strangle countries by any means necessary, all for the benefit of a fascist political agenda.

Cuba has received some of the harshest of the hybrid warfare from America. The fact that you are equivocating about the warfare tactics of a fascist society reflects poorly on you, no different from “but actually”-ing the actions of nazi Germany in the middle of WW2 (while also being factually wrong about your points).

The fact that Cuba can survive and thrive despite the genocide is a testament to their resilience. But a state, and a nation are not one entity. All the extra lives that could have been saved had Cuba been allowed to develop under normal external conditions do not come back to life because the population managed to grow.