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Not exactly true:

Because the GNU kernel—Hurd—is not production-ready , GNU is usually used with the Linux kernel. There was an Arch-based distribution called Arch Hurd, which is inactive. Hurd package last update was in 2019.

Arch Linux is such a GNU/Linux distribution, using GNU software such as the Bash shell, the GNU core utilities —coreutils, the GNU toolchain and numerous other utilities and libraries.

Source: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GNU

you’re at least 10 years too late for present continuous.

I didn’t expect to laugh so much in this thread! 💯

I remember when back in the days people talked shit about X11, saying that it was a pile of shit and to move to Wayland.

Then Wayland became mainstream and you start to see the X11 nostalgics talking shit about Wayland.

I’m so fed up with all of this. People, use what works! There will never be the perfect software, the perfect OS, the perfect library, the perfect programming language, the perfect file system, the perfect database, the perfect protocol, the perfect shell (or the perfect forum).

Good for you!

That means that you indeed have options! Systemd isn’t limiting your freedom! If anything, it’s limiting your easiness of choice. And for that I understand your feelings, but you really can’t do anything about it. Except maybe become a developer for a competing init system, so that it becomes better than systemd. Because the systemd is here to stay, until something better comes to replace it :)

Do you trust random strangers on the internet, then? You don’t need systemd to get a backdoor on your system. Xz is enough and fortunately it was caught.

It’s not the software provider’s duty to support every platform. Mullvad officially only supports Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora.

Their obligation ends there. By using any other distro, even a systemd one, you’re taking responsibility to make it work in your system. That’s the freedom that linux offers you! The ability to do whatever weird shit you want, at your risk and without any warranty explicit or implied.

Become a package maintainer for your distro to add support for mullvad and stop complaining.

The idea of Linux isn’t just about running big software, it’s about the ability to compose a system from independent parts.

This is just false. The idea of Linux is having a copyleft operating system, free as in beer and as in freedom. Full stop.

Again, yes. But it’s not like there’s a big conspiracy to push systemd in your systems. People (developers, distro mainteners, system maintainers, …) are using it because for them it has value. It makes it easier, more reliable, whatever.

Many OSS projects require gcc, or glib. And can work with alternative compilers or libraries, but maybe you’ll encounter some issues. By the same logic, would you say that GCC and Glib are reducing your freedom?

And by the way I’m not saying that the premise is false. It’s true that it somewhat reduces your options. But you still have options.

And I think that having a somewhat standardized environment is a good thing. But if you don’t, use another distro. Heck, use OpenBSD!

(I’m using “you” but I’m not referring to you in particular, it’s an impersonal you)

I don’t see people bitching about the heavy reliance on the GNU toolchain.

I used to. Then I tried a GNU-less Unix for a bit, and I realised that GNU is really good, and there is a reason why most distros provide GNU.

I really, really hate these posts about systemd. Just use whatever you want, make your own distros if you want, contribute to the distros that do what you want. That’s the freedom that Linux and OSS gives you. You have the choices. But if some options are more popular than others, often times there’s a reason!

I agree with everything you said.

LSF is not a distro. It is a instruction manual and teaching aid. Don’t use it as a base for your main OS

OP, you can use it as your main OS, and I know some people do. I wouldn’t recommend it, though. Because once you have LFS you realise that you need at least automatic dependency resolution. And once you start thinking about it you realise that you’re reinventing a package manager. At that point just use a distro you like :D

I suggest LFS if you want to learn the complexity of creating a distro from scratch. (You might not succeed on the first try. I gave up multiple times before forcing myself to finish it)

I never tried Gentoo so I can’t really say anything good or bad about it.

My question is: what are you expecting to learn from this? you say “learn more” but what exactly do you want to learn? Because if it’s “becoming better at linux” you can definitely do it with just Arch.

If you just want something “more difficult” to install, I guess you can do it.

Windone.

Thanks for the correction.

I read the bash documentation and I think you simply don’t need the ;. The & is already a command separator, just like ;

Tested with bash: sleep 100 & echo test prints right away.

https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html#Lists

it should be enough to put a space between & and ; like this: firefox -p & ; disown but I’m not 100% sure.

I’m also very spoiled by zsh, and I also remember encountering this issue.

This ice cream shop is trash! Because I took a chocolate and cream cone and ran away without paying, and when I was outside I tripped over my shoelace and my ice cone ended up in a puddle where a dog was pissing. 0/10 would never go that shop again.

It honestly reads like this 🤣

I’ve blocked them, I have other things to care about today, than arguing with a stranger about bullshit.

It’s sad, because other than that we were having a pretty nice conversation. Such is life…

I don’t understand why you are being so impolite.

I understand making fun of apple shills, it’s not a mature thing to do, but I get it. I just want to point out that being so “anti shill” is just as cringe.

Why do you care about what other people buy? We are having a technical discussion about different platforms, and your whole argument is “lmao buying apple”.

Agreed. ipads and iphones being locked as a platform, i would never buy them. The PCs? You can install Linux and be happy with it (if you’re lucky enough).

Imagine being proud of using Microsoft!

At least Apple makes decent hardware (and questionable software practices). But at least macOS is true Unix. With WSL now I’m not really sure which experience is better.

I’d still take Linux any time.

MSYS2 is a lifesaver!