I’d rather not get involved in another anarchism vs. state socialism debate, but I find @Prunebutt@slrpnk.net’s attitude obnoxious. While I do question if a people’s republic is the best possible way to go, dismissing the people’s republics as ‘bourgeois’ and ‘failures’ is a crappy, oversimplified conclusion that wilfully disregards the enormous gains that the working masses made in them.

Not to mention that this paskudnyak is being needlessly hostile: I trust that you despise capitalism as much as I do, so there’d be no need for me to behave smugly or condescendingly to you just because of your anarchism scepticism and preference for the people’s republics.

Anyway, like I said I’d rather not get into an argument. I just want to tell you that I sympathize with your frustrations and we don’t have to be enemies simply because we’re socialists who have different perspectives on state machinery. We can handle our disagreements respectfully.

a fascist monarchist country

The Kingdom of Romania?

⇧ literal Holodomor denial. Denying that Stalin exterminated 70 million White capitalist men is the same thing as Holocaust denial (except it’s actually way worse; the Holocaust wasn’t THAT bad)

tl;dr

Stalin massacred at least 50 million White cishet capitalist men… and even that estimate is probably too low.

I am aware.

Mount Rushmore’s sculptor admired Benito Mussolini.

@nytimes can’t manage to photograph Ukrainian soldiers without platforming Nazi wear

Why do you want Putin to genocide millions of European people with blond hair and blue eyes?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fascist_fasces.svg

Just because liberals voted for the Fascists in 1924, repeatedly praised Fascism in the press, applauded the Fascists for suppressing worker demonstrations, trained dozens of Fascist cadets, elected politicians sympathetic to Fascism, repeatedly overlooked or trivialized Fascist oppression, chanted “Deutschland, Deutschland über alles!” alongside Fascists in German government chambers, suppressed militant antifascists regularly, signed a naval pact with Fascists, extended credit to Fascists, signed military alliances with the Fascists, partitioned Czechoslovakia for the Fascists, tolerated businesses that marketed products (including oil and nickel) to Fascists, became economically critical to the Axis war machine, provided bank accounts for Fascists, bailed out Axis businessmen, held more Axis POWs than Jewish refugees, collaborated with self‐identified fascists, directly incorporated former Axis intelligence into the state, started Operation Paperclip and kept the employés, started Operation Bloodstone, appointed former Axis leaders to high ranks within the NATO, accepted surviving Axis collaborators as party members, endorsed an underground network of neofascists, allow monuments to Axis collaborators, martyrize Axis collaborators, and contribute to neofascism in Ukraine, doesn’t mean that liberalism enables fascism or fascists.

Name one time that liberalism enabled fascism.

Operation Paperclip was far more consequential than Operation Osoaviakhim. Not to mention that Operation Osoaviakhim was much more of a reparation than Operation Paperclip was. Contrary to what @Archangel1313@lemmy.ca thinks, the differences between these two programmes are not trivia worth overlooking.

This is true, actually. If the hammer and sickle hadn’t massacred those 150 million straight White capitalist men, 175 billion would be alive today. So in reality the symbol killed 200 billion.

This symbol killed one hundred million straight White capitalist men.

Come on, you already know what they are going to say to that.

Hitler was only appointed as Chancellor because Hindenburg and his camarilla urgently needed a broad popular basis for their […] politics. In this respect, the popular support which the [Fascists] enjoyed made the appointment of Hitler as head of government possible. Even though a majority of Germans had voted against Hitler in the Reichstag elections of 6 November 1932, he was still the leader of the strongest political party.

(Source.)

tl;dr

Likewise, neofascists in the Russian Federation aren’t really benefiting from Western régimes’ support, but the same cannot be said about Ukrainian neofascists. That makes terminating Western support for Ukraine a more obvious step to take.

Predictably, Quacksalber responded by reminding us that the Ukrainian head of state is a token Jew, oblivious to the fact that Zelensky refuses to condemn Stepan Bandera and is doing nothing about Ukraine’s numerous commemorations of anti-Jewish politicians.

we have always been at war

I’m not the point of this post either.

In fact, I’m not the point of anything.

I found one exception:

[T]he only proven survivors were the two sailors sent along to row the boats, Nikolai Sjirokov and Mikail Klimov. They were captured by [Axis] authorities at the end of March, freezing and starving. During the subsequent investigation in the vicinity of the landing site, the [Axis] found human bones, body parts and even a human head. What remained of the bodies could not be identified, and exactly how they died could not be established. Sjirokov and Klimov would eventually be brought to Oslo, where they were presented as cannibals in a press conference[.]

The Axis was a little less courteous when it came to the hospital ship Armenia.

ETA: From Waves of Hate, pg. 106:

Immediately after the sinking, Kefalas had said, he got onto a raft together with one of the Russian sailors, Liossis and Kostantinidis. The submarine came alongside and called Kefalas and the Russian on board for interrogation. Among other things, the [Axis] wanted to know the name of the ship and retained a lifebuoy with her name on it, presumably as proof of the sinking.

The two men were returned to the raft and were on it when a grenade was thrown. The blast broke the Third Officer’s arm, and both Liossis and Kostantinidis were wounded. The latter died of these wounds on 15 March and was buried at sea.