In other words, you can’t really refute a single word I said, so you’re going to imply I’m lying and bounce. This is by far the most vitriol I’ve ever faced for openly being willing to consider fresh evidence and change my perspective, and you’ve made it quite clear you’re not arguing in bad faith. I assume you make the accusation against me purely to muddy the waters and make it seems like a simple “no u!” when you’re inevitably called for it.
I’m not implying you’re lying. I’m saying that you have a shameless sneering indifference to good faith arguing to the point that you could accuse me of avoiding the topic for not engaging with your tangent. You argue like a nazi, which I have commented on repeatedly now, which only makes sense because you are a nazi who defends nazis.
for openly being willing to consider fresh evidence and change my perspective
See? You’re completely aware of the absurdity of your replies. You’re having fun being a snide piece of shit. Exactly how a fucking nazi argues.
Even in the context of the argument you, like an entitled fucking child, demand I engage with instead of the actual topic, you refuse to engage in good faith as I have REPEATEDLY asked you to front load what would qualify as evidence and you have refused. Every time you just point to a strawman and say “That wasn’t enough” and continue on batching for eight paragraphs that no one’s reading.
All of this has been put to you repeatedly. Yet you still argue in smirking bad faith. Piece of shit nazi. Follow your leader.
You’re spending an awful lot of time and effort to talk shit about how I’m allegedly not engaging in good faith, but if these Nazis were rampant enough to be doing everything you’re pinning on them, because recall that you said these things were being done by a Nazi regime, it should be pretty fucking trivial to muster literally anything to support your claims and shut me up. Just one piece of actual genuine evidence that there’s a Nazi regime in Ukraine, and you’d shut the whole thing down. Instead, you’d rather invest all this time to belittle me and pretend I’m not openly presenting an opportunity to change my mind. The best evidence I’ve seen so far is maybe all of 50 dudes around flags in half a dozen photos at most. Given that asking for evidence of Nazis is more likely to see me verbally abused than to see me actually being shown that there are Nazis in Ukraine, I can only assume that some people are very interested in lying about Nazis in Ukraine. Otherwise, if there were genuinely a massive Nazi problem in Ukraine, surely its opponents would be more open to spreading word of the problem.
You’re spending an awful lot of time and effort to talk shit about how I’m allegedly not engaging in good faith, but if these Nazis were rampant enough to be doing everything you’re pinning on them, because recall that you said these things were being done by a Nazi regime, it should be pretty fucking trivial to muster literally anything to support your claims and shut me up.
Go ahead and gargle my balls and never reply again. Someone actually showed up, delivered a bunch of sources, and I learned the problem was worse than I thought it was. Still nowhere near as bad as Russia and many in here want me to believe, but worse than I thought when I came in here. I’d say speaking with you was a complete and utter waste of my time, but since the other guy actually provided the info, I’ll settle for telling you to shut the fuck up, gargle my balls, and please never defile my inbox with your inane replies again.
So AntiOutsideAktion is correct and you’re whining that they weren’t tolerant of you trying to bullshit your way through the interaction. Oh no, you poor baby.
PS I provided you with plenty of information and you decided to entirely ignore it. You are treated more nicely than you deserve and probably should ahve been banned as a troll a few days ago.
Also, not really, his assertions were grossly exaggerated compared to what the sources provided claimed. The truth appears to be in the middle of us somewhere, closer to what I said him in my opinion.
You are 14 out of the 30 notifications I have remaining. I assume the information you say you’ve provided is probably somewhere in there. That’s after the dozens of responses to you and others in here. At a glance, just about every comment from you goes out of its way to belittle and demean me. I admit I’ve matched energy with some people I probably shouldn’t have, probably including you, maybe even been the one to get heated first a couple times, but god damn, man, calm the fuck down.
I’m no longer interested in being the target for your abuse. I’ll read what you wrote so far when I get a chance over the next day or two and consider it. If you have any good information you think I should look at, I invite you to reply with it here, and I’ll try to get to it as soon as I can because, despite what you assume and try to portray me as, I’m open to learning, and I’m trying to do what I can with the meager time I have, like giving up most of my one day off just to try to learn a little from a bunch of assholes who’d rather berate me. I’m trying, I’m open to learning, and you’re determined to make that as painful as possible.
If you feel inclined to reply or message me for anything other than relaying any material you find relevant, please go fuck yourself with a rusty rake instead. I’ll try to give your recommendations an honest shot in the interest of maybe learning something, but you I have no interest in conversing with anymore.
Members of Azov and similar groups have had high-ranking positions in Ukrainian ministries, particularly after Russia invaded. Azov itself was incorporaetd into the Ukrainian armed forces so actually all the liberals at the top are doing neo-Nazi apologia now. Previously Azov was an independent neo-Nazi outfit along with groups like Right Sector (who also have various positions in ministries). Such groups carried out ethnic cleansing campaigns in Donbas, including shelling civilian centers for years. A blatant example is Vadym Troyan, previously deputy minister of internal affairs. Jesus Christ, go learn something before you talk about it here.
I bet this person would readily agree that the southern US states are run by neo-confederates because of all the statues. But when it comes to having a national holiday for regional director of the holocaust it’s ‘lalalala’
Nah, they’re very frequently racist as hell, but I wouldn’t brand most of them as neo-confederates. I don’t think there’s enough drive to reinstitute slavery to brand them as such. I think most would settle for just making white people a legally elevated class. To be clear, that’s still despicable, unacceptable, and a path towards the resurgence of neo-confederates, but that doesn’t mean there can’t be a distinction between the groups. More useful idiots to neo-confederates than actual members.
Jesus Christ, go learn something before you talk about it here.
Have you considered that attempting to discuss the topic is a good way to talk to people with differing view points and new information they can share on the topic? Maybe the fact that other people are aware of other sources of information and that talking to them can be a good way to learn new places to find info?
That said, after having openly offered to learn about the topic probably literally close to a dozen times, you’re the first person who’s given me anything that even resembles a good starting point for research. Most can’t get beyond insulting me for questioning it to make it to “here’s a photo of 10-20 dudes in front of a flag that you should totally extrapolate to representative of a whole nation”. I’d appreciate if you could share any sources you have that you’d consider especially informative on the topic.
Notice that you ignored the content of my comment so you could focus on the part where I dismiss you. You have no interested in developing understanding or engaging in good faith and are correctly treated accordingly.
I provided you with specifics, with named events and individuals. You have no interest in discussing those things. Instead, you take this opportunity to whine and pretend that nobody is trying to inform you.
The other commenter engaged with you for ages, providing plenty of information for you to either (1) self-inform or (2) respectfully acknowledge that you don’t know this topic very well and that you’d appreciate them spedning the time to compile some resource for you. instead, you were combative and presumed you knew better about, say, what it means that it’s almost impossible to publish front line pictures without Neo-Nazi insignia.
You don’t “appreciate” sharing resources. YOu didn’t engage witht he resources I just provided you. Demonstrate through your actions, not empty rhetoric. Go inform. Go read. Ask respectfully for others to spend time assuming you are here in good faith, not punish them for the initial false assumption.
In other words, you can’t really refute a single word I said, so you’re going to imply I’m lying and bounce. This is by far the most vitriol I’ve ever faced for openly being willing to consider fresh evidence and change my perspective, and you’ve made it quite clear you’re not arguing in bad faith. I assume you make the accusation against me purely to muddy the waters and make it seems like a simple “no u!” when you’re inevitably called for it.
I’m not implying you’re lying. I’m saying that you have a shameless sneering indifference to good faith arguing to the point that you could accuse me of avoiding the topic for not engaging with your tangent. You argue like a nazi, which I have commented on repeatedly now, which only makes sense because you are a nazi who defends nazis.
See? You’re completely aware of the absurdity of your replies. You’re having fun being a snide piece of shit. Exactly how a fucking nazi argues.
Even in the context of the argument you, like an entitled fucking child, demand I engage with instead of the actual topic, you refuse to engage in good faith as I have REPEATEDLY asked you to front load what would qualify as evidence and you have refused. Every time you just point to a strawman and say “That wasn’t enough” and continue on batching for eight paragraphs that no one’s reading.
All of this has been put to you repeatedly. Yet you still argue in smirking bad faith. Piece of shit nazi. Follow your leader.
You’re spending an awful lot of time and effort to talk shit about how I’m allegedly not engaging in good faith, but if these Nazis were rampant enough to be doing everything you’re pinning on them, because recall that you said these things were being done by a Nazi regime, it should be pretty fucking trivial to muster literally anything to support your claims and shut me up. Just one piece of actual genuine evidence that there’s a Nazi regime in Ukraine, and you’d shut the whole thing down. Instead, you’d rather invest all this time to belittle me and pretend I’m not openly presenting an opportunity to change my mind. The best evidence I’ve seen so far is maybe all of 50 dudes around flags in half a dozen photos at most. Given that asking for evidence of Nazis is more likely to see me verbally abused than to see me actually being shown that there are Nazis in Ukraine, I can only assume that some people are very interested in lying about Nazis in Ukraine. Otherwise, if there were genuinely a massive Nazi problem in Ukraine, surely its opponents would be more open to spreading word of the problem.
This is one sentence. You are exhausting.
Let me put it more on your level, then.
You spend much time talk shit. Could spend half minute, find proof, shut me up good. If many Nazis doing Nazi things, should be easy.
Why would I reward a child for their bad behavior by giving them what they want?
I have given you countless opportunities and reminders of how and why you’re being a piece of shit.
If you want to be treated better act better.
Go ahead and gargle my balls and never reply again. Someone actually showed up, delivered a bunch of sources, and I learned the problem was worse than I thought it was. Still nowhere near as bad as Russia and many in here want me to believe, but worse than I thought when I came in here. I’d say speaking with you was a complete and utter waste of my time, but since the other guy actually provided the info, I’ll settle for telling you to shut the fuck up, gargle my balls, and please never defile my inbox with your inane replies again.
So AntiOutsideAktion is correct and you’re whining that they weren’t tolerant of you trying to bullshit your way through the interaction. Oh no, you poor baby.
PS I provided you with plenty of information and you decided to entirely ignore it. You are treated more nicely than you deserve and probably should ahve been banned as a troll a few days ago.
Also, not really, his assertions were grossly exaggerated compared to what the sources provided claimed. The truth appears to be in the middle of us somewhere, closer to what I said him in my opinion.
You are 14 out of the 30 notifications I have remaining. I assume the information you say you’ve provided is probably somewhere in there. That’s after the dozens of responses to you and others in here. At a glance, just about every comment from you goes out of its way to belittle and demean me. I admit I’ve matched energy with some people I probably shouldn’t have, probably including you, maybe even been the one to get heated first a couple times, but god damn, man, calm the fuck down.
I’m no longer interested in being the target for your abuse. I’ll read what you wrote so far when I get a chance over the next day or two and consider it. If you have any good information you think I should look at, I invite you to reply with it here, and I’ll try to get to it as soon as I can because, despite what you assume and try to portray me as, I’m open to learning, and I’m trying to do what I can with the meager time I have, like giving up most of my one day off just to try to learn a little from a bunch of assholes who’d rather berate me. I’m trying, I’m open to learning, and you’re determined to make that as painful as possible.
If you feel inclined to reply or message me for anything other than relaying any material you find relevant, please go fuck yourself with a rusty rake instead. I’ll try to give your recommendations an honest shot in the interest of maybe learning something, but you I have no interest in conversing with anymore.
Members of Azov and similar groups have had high-ranking positions in Ukrainian ministries, particularly after Russia invaded. Azov itself was incorporaetd into the Ukrainian armed forces so actually all the liberals at the top are doing neo-Nazi apologia now. Previously Azov was an independent neo-Nazi outfit along with groups like Right Sector (who also have various positions in ministries). Such groups carried out ethnic cleansing campaigns in Donbas, including shelling civilian centers for years. A blatant example is Vadym Troyan, previously deputy minister of internal affairs. Jesus Christ, go learn something before you talk about it here.
Liberals think Ukraine was invented in 2022.
I bet this person would readily agree that the southern US states are run by neo-confederates because of all the statues. But when it comes to having a national holiday for regional director of the holocaust it’s ‘lalalala’
I dunno they might know so little that they wouldn’t quite understand the meaning of venerating Robert E. Lee.
Nah, they’re very frequently racist as hell, but I wouldn’t brand most of them as neo-confederates. I don’t think there’s enough drive to reinstitute slavery to brand them as such. I think most would settle for just making white people a legally elevated class. To be clear, that’s still despicable, unacceptable, and a path towards the resurgence of neo-confederates, but that doesn’t mean there can’t be a distinction between the groups. More useful idiots to neo-confederates than actual members.
Have you considered that attempting to discuss the topic is a good way to talk to people with differing view points and new information they can share on the topic? Maybe the fact that other people are aware of other sources of information and that talking to them can be a good way to learn new places to find info?
That said, after having openly offered to learn about the topic probably literally close to a dozen times, you’re the first person who’s given me anything that even resembles a good starting point for research. Most can’t get beyond insulting me for questioning it to make it to “here’s a photo of 10-20 dudes in front of a flag that you should totally extrapolate to representative of a whole nation”. I’d appreciate if you could share any sources you have that you’d consider especially informative on the topic.
Notice that you ignored the content of my comment so you could focus on the part where I dismiss you. You have no interested in developing understanding or engaging in good faith and are correctly treated accordingly.
I provided you with specifics, with named events and individuals. You have no interest in discussing those things. Instead, you take this opportunity to whine and pretend that nobody is trying to inform you.
The other commenter engaged with you for ages, providing plenty of information for you to either (1) self-inform or (2) respectfully acknowledge that you don’t know this topic very well and that you’d appreciate them spedning the time to compile some resource for you. instead, you were combative and presumed you knew better about, say, what it means that it’s almost impossible to publish front line pictures without Neo-Nazi insignia.
You don’t “appreciate” sharing resources. YOu didn’t engage witht he resources I just provided you. Demonstrate through your actions, not empty rhetoric. Go inform. Go read. Ask respectfully for others to spend time assuming you are here in good faith, not punish them for the initial false assumption.