I mean… If the election has a really high chance of not genuinely reflecting the will of the people because an outside force is guaranteed to attempt to interfere with the election… Yeah, it’s kinda not the time because you’re going to choose based on the will of the invader, not the will of the people.
If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.
But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.
So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?
I’ve seen a lot of claims of Nazis in Ukraine, and to be totally fair, there have been pictures of disturbing large groups around symbols, but nobody ever seems able to muster any genuine evidence there’s a systemic problem. Everything anyone has ever been able to show me has attempted to make big leaps to stretch scant evidence into more than it is. I’m open to being proven wrong, but the last several times I offered the chance, I got the same load of half assed bullshit. I’ve tried several times to give the claim a chance, but it increasingly sounds like a tiny grain of truth blown up into a mountain of Russian butthurt.
dunno about scant evidence when there are so many different instances of ukranians with nazi tattoos and badges and shit freely availabe all over the internet
Oh neat, another shitty piece of “evidence” that doesn’t actually prove the point at hand. I’m not saying it’s a great look, but the vast majority aren’t even in Ukraine, and given the height of the pins, it looks like there probably aren’t even very many in Ukraine. If I’m wrong and there’s a bunch of them in there, then it’s still not good evidence since it can’t make your point clearly.
You dumb fuck, the upper right zoomed in part is Ukraine literally fucking covered in them. I keep coming back to this thread out of fascination because you seem to genuinely just be a credulous rube and a distillation of liberal denial of reality, but this one takes the fucking cake and I had to reply again.
You are either a crypto-fascist “pretending” not to see the Nazi scourge as what it is you are just that fucking stupid or unwilling to confront your misinformed preconceptions. Either way others here have spent far more energy than you deserve attempting to educate you so I will just say again: Go fuck yourself. Take this hostility you received here as a moment to reflect on your pigheaded refusal to acknowledge the actual reality in which we all live. You have been given more than enough to educate your self.
The next time you post on this site should be a fucking apology and heartfelt thanks to all those that had the patience to put up with your shit. You’re fine with genocide as long as democrats do it and you’re fine with Nazis. You fucking disgust me.
Christ, you’re 9 of the 18 notifications I have left including this one, and damn near everyone of them had you being a raging asshole. I’ve tried to listen to what people have to say, and I have openly and repeatedly invited people to bring new evidence, and here you are trawlimg my comment history to find new and exciting opportunities to insult me.
It’s like you’re trying to be such an asshole, nobody is ever willing to listen you or interact with you again, like you’re actively trying to drive people away from ever learning to agree with you.
I’ve tried to read what everyone said and reply yo everyone, but you? You can go fuck yourself with a rusty rake. Your abuse has no educational value, so I won’t be reading the rest in detail, I’ll just be blocking you. Maybe I’ll stumble into a Hexbear thread on accident again someday, but I’ll remain blissfully unaware of your shit ass.
It’s a NATO problem. It’d definitely be wrong to hold Ukraine to be uniquely responsible for NATO’s legacy, and Ukraine isn’t even formally part of NATO. If you want a full breakdown of the history of the NATO bloc’s Nazi problem, have you read Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds?
I’d rather actually get some evidence that Ukraine is as systematically rife with Nazis as people in here like to claim. Once again, for like the 5th or 6th time, I’ve openly stated I’m willing to consider the possibility if only someone can provide some evidence, and nobody can muster anything. I’m trying to stay open minded about it, but the fact that nobody can find anything more than a handful of group photos, it’s starting to smell like a crock of shit.
You’re the one who made the claim the Ukrainians are living under a Nazi regime. I basically said I’ve seen evidence that there are Ukrainian Nazis in existence, but nobody can ever muster evidence that it’s systemic or anything other than a few groups that, while disturbingly large, are nowhere near big enough to represent the majority. I’ve tried to invite proof several times, but I’m increasingly convinced it’s bullshit.
I see so you’ve decided to take a violent tangent away from the conversation that made you uncomfortable and decided to impose this new conversation where you challenge me to convince you of something you adamantly refuse to be convinced of and brag about how your opaque standards of proof have never been met.
Tangent? Your post was about Ukrainian Nazis. Let’s look back at it.
If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.
I apparently don’t care about them because I’m not resisting this Nazi regime that nobody can prove is anywhere NEAR extensive enough to qualify as an actual regime.
But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.
Again, I’m allegedly terrible for not caring about the alleged Nazis.
So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?
Basically a bunch of questioning if my tolerance of the Nazis is stupidity or evil.
So… You ranted about Ukrainian Nazis. That was the central focus of your post. I then claimed that while I have repeatedly tried to be open to the possibility, nobody can ever seem to muster evidence that it’s anything more than a few relatively small groups, at least on a nation scale, being grossly exaggerated.
And then you act confused and treat me like I’m going off on a tangent to dodge some greater point, you absolute clown.
Yeah. You latched onto a single thing I said in the service of talking about the actual topic and you not only want to make the entire conversation about it, you also want to pretend no other conversation existed.
My guy, your entire fucking post was about Ukrainian Nazis. So I responded and discussed Ukrainian Nazis. What the fuck do you want to talk about if it’s not Ukrainian Nazis, and why didn’t you just say that in the first place? If it’s such a tangent, it’s one you went down and I followed, but now it’s my fault we’re here somehow. And once again, there’s still no evidence of the Nazis being widespread, so this just feels like trying to dodge the fact that someone actually called for evidence.
I mean… If the election has a really high chance of not genuinely reflecting the will of the people because an outside force is guaranteed to attempt to interfere with the election… Yeah, it’s kinda not the time because you’re going to choose based on the will of the invader, not the will of the people.
If you cared about the will of the people you wouldn’t have violently overthrown their government and installed a regime of literal nazis to murder and suppress the population you pretend to weep for.
But then again if you cared about the people of Ukraine AT ALL you wouldn’t be okay with them living under a nazi regime LET ALONE happily giving those nazis absolute power to decide when and if they ever give up absolute power.
So like all right wingers, I have to wonder. Where are you on the evil/stupid continuum? Do you espouse your views because you are fully self aware as a devoted nazi partisan? Or are you tied for the dumbest person to have ever lived?
I’ve seen a lot of claims of Nazis in Ukraine, and to be totally fair, there have been pictures of disturbing large groups around symbols, but nobody ever seems able to muster any genuine evidence there’s a systemic problem. Everything anyone has ever been able to show me has attempted to make big leaps to stretch scant evidence into more than it is. I’m open to being proven wrong, but the last several times I offered the chance, I got the same load of half assed bullshit. I’ve tried several times to give the claim a chance, but it increasingly sounds like a tiny grain of truth blown up into a mountain of Russian butthurt.
dunno about scant evidence when there are so many different instances of ukranians with nazi tattoos and badges and shit freely availabe all over the internet
Oh neat, another shitty piece of “evidence” that doesn’t actually prove the point at hand. I’m not saying it’s a great look, but the vast majority aren’t even in Ukraine, and given the height of the pins, it looks like there probably aren’t even very many in Ukraine. If I’m wrong and there’s a bunch of them in there, then it’s still not good evidence since it can’t make your point clearly.
You dumb fuck, the upper right zoomed in part is Ukraine literally fucking covered in them. I keep coming back to this thread out of fascination because you seem to genuinely just be a credulous rube and a distillation of liberal denial of reality, but this one takes the fucking cake and I had to reply again.
You are either a crypto-fascist “pretending” not to see the Nazi scourge as what it is you are just that fucking stupid or unwilling to confront your misinformed preconceptions. Either way others here have spent far more energy than you deserve attempting to educate you so I will just say again: Go fuck yourself. Take this hostility you received here as a moment to reflect on your pigheaded refusal to acknowledge the actual reality in which we all live. You have been given more than enough to educate your self.
The next time you post on this site should be a fucking apology and heartfelt thanks to all those that had the patience to put up with your shit. You’re fine with genocide as long as democrats do it and you’re fine with Nazis. You fucking disgust me.
Christ, you’re 9 of the 18 notifications I have left including this one, and damn near everyone of them had you being a raging asshole. I’ve tried to listen to what people have to say, and I have openly and repeatedly invited people to bring new evidence, and here you are trawlimg my comment history to find new and exciting opportunities to insult me.
It’s like you’re trying to be such an asshole, nobody is ever willing to listen you or interact with you again, like you’re actively trying to drive people away from ever learning to agree with you.
I’ve tried to read what everyone said and reply yo everyone, but you? You can go fuck yourself with a rusty rake. Your abuse has no educational value, so I won’t be reading the rest in detail, I’ll just be blocking you. Maybe I’ll stumble into a Hexbear thread on accident again someday, but I’ll remain blissfully unaware of your shit ass.
It’s a NATO problem. It’d definitely be wrong to hold Ukraine to be uniquely responsible for NATO’s legacy, and Ukraine isn’t even formally part of NATO. If you want a full breakdown of the history of the NATO bloc’s Nazi problem, have you read Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds?
I’d rather actually get some evidence that Ukraine is as systematically rife with Nazis as people in here like to claim. Once again, for like the 5th or 6th time, I’ve openly stated I’m willing to consider the possibility if only someone can provide some evidence, and nobody can muster anything. I’m trying to stay open minded about it, but the fact that nobody can find anything more than a handful of group photos, it’s starting to smell like a crock of shit.
There was lots of reporting on it in the mainstream media but it all suddenly stopped around… 2022. Huh
https://www.reuters.com/article/opinion/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TC/
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/
https://www.fairobserver.com/region/europe/the-ukrainian-revolutions-neo-fascist-problem-14785/
https://socialistproject.ca/2019/01/why-does-no-one-care-that-neo-nazis-are-gaining-power-in-ukraine/
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-anti-semitism-racism-and-the-far-right/
Oh so we should talk about this different thing now?
You’re the one who made the claim the Ukrainians are living under a Nazi regime. I basically said I’ve seen evidence that there are Ukrainian Nazis in existence, but nobody can ever muster evidence that it’s systemic or anything other than a few groups that, while disturbingly large, are nowhere near big enough to represent the majority. I’ve tried to invite proof several times, but I’m increasingly convinced it’s bullshit.
I see so you’ve decided to take a violent tangent away from the conversation that made you uncomfortable and decided to impose this new conversation where you challenge me to convince you of something you adamantly refuse to be convinced of and brag about how your opaque standards of proof have never been met.
So you’re just kinda a piece of shit huh
Tangent? Your post was about Ukrainian Nazis. Let’s look back at it.
I apparently don’t care about them because I’m not resisting this Nazi regime that nobody can prove is anywhere NEAR extensive enough to qualify as an actual regime.
Again, I’m allegedly terrible for not caring about the alleged Nazis.
Basically a bunch of questioning if my tolerance of the Nazis is stupidity or evil.
So… You ranted about Ukrainian Nazis. That was the central focus of your post. I then claimed that while I have repeatedly tried to be open to the possibility, nobody can ever seem to muster evidence that it’s anything more than a few relatively small groups, at least on a nation scale, being grossly exaggerated.
And then you act confused and treat me like I’m going off on a tangent to dodge some greater point, you absolute clown.
Yeah. You latched onto a single thing I said in the service of talking about the actual topic and you not only want to make the entire conversation about it, you also want to pretend no other conversation existed.
You’re dishonest and pathetic.
My guy, your entire fucking post was about Ukrainian Nazis. So I responded and discussed Ukrainian Nazis. What the fuck do you want to talk about if it’s not Ukrainian Nazis, and why didn’t you just say that in the first place? If it’s such a tangent, it’s one you went down and I followed, but now it’s my fault we’re here somehow. And once again, there’s still no evidence of the Nazis being widespread, so this just feels like trying to dodge the fact that someone actually called for evidence.