• Dasus@lemmy.world
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    24 hours ago

    Hidden cameras and recordings have been things for like 100 years.

    Edit and privacy law’s reflect that.

    Also everyone is literally constantly pointing a camera at you in public with their phones. Public places don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

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      13 hours ago

      Public places don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

      Not where you live at least.

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        10 hours ago

        Tell me a place which does.

        Places which you aren’t allowed to film on the street?

        Because no matter how furiously you google, a majority of the world allows it. Who doesn’t are like Chinese and Russians, but even they only limit it in certain cities / landmarks. So in a country like North Korea, you’d have “reasonable expectation of privacy”, except ofc you don’t it’s a totalitarian dictatorship.

        Every single photographer knows this. Or should know it at least, basic laws covering privacy.

        In general, one cannot have a reasonable expectation of privacy for things put into a public space.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_expectation_of_privacy

        “But that’s just America”

        Yeah I’m not American. I most intimately know Finnish laws and while there’s a million Karens who get upset if they think they’re being filmed (especially cops, I went to the supreme court and won when they prevented me from filming in my phone).

        And there’s nothing in the GDPR that would ban filming in public or say that in public one could reasonably expect privacy. The exception is you can’t use that material for commercial purposes without a permit. But it’s completely fine for personal use.

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          8 hours ago

          Switzerland; you have to ask persons on the image for permission. Some exceptions (like events, lamdscape) apply. And shops, companies, have to follow rules, how much public space is permitted and how long they can keep them. Germany has similiar rules. Austria and France i’m not sure.

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            7 hours ago

            Lol, no. You’re just wrong. You think its not allowed to film on the street when you’re in Switzerland? That you’d need to stop every single person and ask for their permission? If you genuinely believe that, then you’re not the sharpest pen in the case.

            Germany the same.

            You need to ask for permission if you go up to someone’s face and make them the primary target of your filming. But for just general filming for personal use, nope, you’re wrong, it’s allowed in public.

            Why don’t you google shit before being so incorrect publicly?

            Or perhaps did some hardcore googling where you don’t actually look for info on the subject, but instead decide how a thing is and then google to find any random post on some forum agreeing with it, without sources.

            It’s the same law I mentioned earlier. These have been accounted for decades before you were even born, and it honestly would’ve been really easy for you to figure that out instead of just trying to prove your delusions correct. Perhaps you asked an LLM with a prompt that already had it as an assumption and then it hallucinated a bunch of shit. But yeah, you’re wrong.

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      17 hours ago

      Yeah but sunglasses make it very visible so people can’t pretend it doesn’t exist and have to confront how it feels to experience living in a surveillance state. They don’t like that.

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        17 hours ago

        I mean… if they’re only now starting to notice and get uncomfortable, then, well. I guess just, good on them, for finally noticing?

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          16 hours ago

          Not really. The whole point is that they only feel uncomfortable when they can see it, so they fight to ensure it can’t be seen, not for it to not exist. The public are a disappointment clump of morons who constantly fuck over our collective futures.

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            16 hours ago

            Yes, that’s the point I was making. Trying to make, with sarcasm. Failed, I guess. It’s stupid as shit to panic now and getting rid of some glasses won’t get rid of perverts recording in secret. Literally been an issue since the invention of photography.

            Also, phones are cameras. And very visible.

            So like, dumb people can think what they think, I just don’t have the energy to fight it anymore. Well not as much as I used to anyway