Unpopular opinion:
Cars should come pre-configured with a speed limit matching tge highest speed limit in tge country (ie if tge highest legal speed limit is 120kph, all cars should have a default unchangeable limit of 120kph)
Normal countries use a point system for drivers licenses.
16 speeding tickets in a year is fucking insane. I think in many states you would have enough points to lose your license.
I’ve been driving for 35 years, I’ve had 2 speeding tickets.
I don’t drive slow I just know where Cops like to sit.
Just take their fucking license away, jesus
You have to keep in mind that that’s a country with a dysfunctional to nonexistent public transport system, that also considers cars the pinnacle of personal freedom.
Revoking someone’s driver’s licence is unthinkable to them.
Imprisoning or shooting them for the crime of having the wrong skin color is fair game, though.
Start with that one cop in that city that drives a pickup and has gotten hundreds of tickets. Then we’ll talk.
Ok but how are they going to deal with the fact that LEO in their personal civilian cars are the ones speeding and going through red lights with impunity?
More than 16 tickets in a year should get your licence revoked, what the hell are you guys doing up there?
Lot of capital to be extracted by issuing tickets, not so much by revoking licenses
There’s a cop there that has racked up something like 560 tickets in the last 4 or 5 years. I just watched a YouTube video about it a few days ago. Some news channel was reviewing the most ticketed license plates in the city and discovered it.
Not sure if I remember wrong but I thought massive chunk were in fact police.
We have a points system here in the UK, first offence you’ll typically be offered re-education if it’s only minor. After that, if you don’t contest a minor offence it’s a £100 fine, plus costs, plus 3 points on your license per offence. If you contest it and lose, or it’s such a major offence that you get taken straight to court, you’ll be fined a percentage of your weekly income (depending on how bad it was), court costs and surcharges, and extra points. 12 points in three years is called “totting-up” and you automatically get your license revoked, so as an absolute maximum you can get away with four speeding tickets in three years. Any more than that, and you lose your license. Or if you’re a new driver, if you get 6 points in the first two years you have to start over with taking your driving tests again.
All this to say… someone getting 16 speeding tickets and not having their license taken away is baffling to me.
Every state is different - while I’m not sure how mine handles multiple speeding tickets, ask me how I know that 30 mph over counts as a major accident on your insurance. At that point, the cost of the ticket is almost irrelevant (approaching a toll both on a highway, when I passed the new speed sign I hadn’t yet slowed enough, the assholes. If they looked at my speed like 50’ later…).
Anyhow I have to expect it’s more “good old boy” corruption, where at each step he gets dismissed or charge reduced
Edit: oh, speed camera infractions. I believe those can’t be criminal since you have the right to face your accuser.
Drivers who get more than 16 speeding tickets in a year should get a restraining order where they can’t come closer than 500 feet to any car.
Lol, exile form NYC, love it.
Got 16 speeding tickets? Instant banishment to Lancaster. Good luck speeding on a horse and buggy.
That’s fine, so long as the limit is set to 0MPH. Anyone getting that many speeding tickets shouldn’t be driving.
There’s a points based system here and you would definitely be in suspended license stage at 16 tickets in a year. It’s a crazy amount.
It’s funny, I read a separate article on Lemmy earlier this week about the worst traffic offender in NYC actually being a NYPD cop…
Why not an exponentially growing fine? A $10 ticket (honest mistake) doubled 16 times makes it $650k
Honestly it should be a % of your yearly income. I remember a dude in Europe got a million euro fine or some shit
Great, first offense is 1%, doubles each time time. For the 16th ticket offemce it would be 65,536%.
Clearly that’s impossible for one person to pay off, so every ticket after 5 gets crowd funded by all the people involved in not revoking the license after 5 offences.
To be generous, every 5 years with no new ticket, one offence is removed from the percentage count.
Drunk/impaired driving starts at 5% and quadruples each time, and never goes away. If you get a ticket for drinking and driving at 20, and then again 72, that’s 20%.
Note that these speed camera “tickets” are different than normal tickets. No cop is pulling them over and issuing a citation to the driver directly. It’s the car that is cited, and usually the registered owner ends up having to pay the fine. But since they can’t prove who is driving it, they can’t issue the same type of conventional ticket. (And that’s also why the fine is so low – make it much higher and people will flood the courts trying to get out of it by saying they weren’t driving it at the time).
And that’s why they can’t just suspend someone’s license instead. Because they can’t tell who is driving in the picture, and even if someone gets their license suspended, they might just keep driving as long as they don’t get pulled over.
I generally don’t like technical solutions to social problems. Our cars are getting too smart for their own good anyway. The car companies are putting all this telemetry in there, and some have been recently caught selling your driving history to insurance companies. I definitely don’t want the government punishing people based on cameras they can’t see. We could decide “hey, why not let the government install nannys into the cars of people who speed”. But then there’s not much of a stretch between that and having the government give everyone a nanny.
Here in austrlaia, the fine goes to the owner unless they make a declaration as to who was actually driving.
You get penalty points on your licence for speeding and other offences. Get enough points in a period and you lose your licence.
At high risk times, like public holiday weekends, where lots of people travel, there are double points.
Yeah, but we’re talking about the USA, where everything is stupid.
We already have such Nannies for repeat drunk drivers so how is this different? It even fits with the narrative that we don’t know who is driving- we know the car is being driven dangerously so should prevent that regardless of driver
You realized you just proved my point. “We already have nannies for X, why not for Y” leads quickly to “Why not have nannies in all cars”, and then to “We have nannies in all the cars why can’t we turn off cars with criminals in them?”.
Can you imagine how much worse things could be if Trump’s gestapo could disable cars remotely?
And yet they’re talking about a nanny as a local device temporarily attached to a car and that does not necessarily “phone home”. Not everything is a “slippery slope”
And yes, speed governors were all too common after the 1970s fuel crisis. As far as I know they still are on trucks, like rental moving trucks. This is not a new thing, except to allow a court to mandate it for repeat egregious offenders
And yet they’re talking about a nanny as a local device temporarily attached to a car and that does not necessarily “phone home”.
Oh, my sweet summer child. You don’t actually believe that, do you? Read up on the stuff coming to new cars in the US next year …
For those unfamiliar:
TL;DR: The 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act requires all new cars sold after September 2027 to include technology that monitors whether you’re impaired or distracted—and can prevent you from driving. Infrared cameras will track your eyes, breath sensors will measure alcohol, and your car can refuse to start or limit its speed. Privacy advocates warn this biometric data could be shared with insurance companies, law enforcement, or sold to data brokers.
Or they change the law so that it doesn’t matter who was driving. Unless it was stolen, the owner could still be held responsible. Stop the nonsense
They’re building to a place where they could do this remotely and that’s ripe for abuses of power. The AI will see that your social karma is low and use parallel construction to develop a reason for suspending your driving privileges effective immediately. Appealing it will probably involve talking to an endless string of clankers on the phone. Ultimately there will be no humans in the chain to accept any kind of responsibility.
Infuriating because 16 is a number too high, right?
Cool. Fuck cars. Take transit in NYC.
Nobody drives in nyc because there’s too much traffic
Exactly, how does one even speed there
While I agree cars can suck, I would rather not build the torment nexus
Cars (well, the car-first infrastructure in most of the US) is already a pretty effective forment nexus.
