Wait a minute… Isn’t banning phones from schools a good thing? I’m not trying to be difficult here, but aren’t they a huge distraction from the learning experience?
The point is regardless of if it’s good or not. Removing the rights and privileges of ANY group of humans. Will spread to the rest of us. When you restrict something for children in school it almost always ends up in work places for adults. Because many companies consider the work place little more then school 2.0 when it comes to control. The employee is functioning barely more then a child as far as many companies are concerned
Children deserve rights and respect. If it’s a problem you deal with it on a case by case basis. Just as you should in the work place. The sacrifice for freedom and self respect is that some people will try to take advantage of it and abuse it.
Blanket bans in all but the most extreme of cases are only considered smart by assfucks, shit stains, fascists and ignorant fuck muffins who listen to the other groups with out a second thought. And cellphones are NOT a extreme case.
For the rest of us we know how stupid they are and how many knock on problems they cause the rest of us. Or at a minimum ask and question things as to learn why there is a controversy.
So good on you for asking. Props for not being a idiot.
Hold up just a bit. It has little to do with infringing on someone’s rights and more to do with ensuring our children have the best learning environment we can provide them. You can argue workplace rights in a separate argument. Children do not NEED these devices. Parents do not NEED their children to have them.
Am I the old fogey here? Do y’all not see how these devices are a detriment to their learning experience?
There’s a very vocal subset on Lemmy who think that any issue children have must be the parents/teachers fault, and that no blanket rules should exist. It’s weird.
If you own a pocket sized computer than you should be able to use it when ever you want.
It’s not an extreme overstep, but as we can literally see right now in this thread, it normalizes the loss of rights.
There’s another solution to banning phones without needing to ban phones; Fund our school properly so that our children get the attention and proper classrooms that they need. Of course it’s easier to ban phones in classrooms of 30 - 50, because then they don’t need to actually pay the teachers to care, or provide the resources necessary for creating a productive classroom.
Politicians are mad that kids have access to information like “it’s OK to be gay” and “the Gaza genocide is wrong” so they’re pulling every lever they can to remove that free access. Schools are already prison like environments where vague unproven “it’s for education” can be asserted, so they are. So.it the freaky surveillance they’re doing now. Are microphones in the bathroom “ensuring our children have the best learning environment” because they’re doing that in Beverly hills now
I can see why you are pushing back, but I can also see their point of view:
In several schools I visited the children do not have their phones banned or taken away. They simply don’t use them, as they are engaged and have expectations set by their teachers to respect the classroom and their peers. Admittedly these are small classrooms, about 8 to 12 to a teacher with a lot of engagement.
But it shows that children can learn when it’s appropriate or not, without a blanket ban.
Similarly, if you are an adult and expected to perform at your work, do they need to treat you like a child and ban or restrict things?
Whoa, those are small class sizes, an ex-teacher friend had 20+ grade schoolers (6-8 iirc) to manage, most were underprivileged but still had phones and spent classes goofing off on them, even though the school and my friend had set rules stating phones were not allowed during class.
I would have to check, but I don’t think phones arent allowed. Its just that the kids are occupied with each other and engaged so they don’t use them.
I think that speaks volumes about the education system.
Oh and just because we are challenging norms: all three schools have implemented gender neutral bathrooms. They all have private floor to ceiling stalls with a common sink area that is open to the hall way. Extremely visible common area, extremely private single occupancy do your business area. They have had zero issues.
Having a phone in school would have been incredibly helpful to me. My middle and high schools got rid of pay phones but did not allow students to use the office phone. I accepted car rides from strangers multiple times because I was unable to get ahold of my parents and also unable to walk home due to distance and not knowing any routes that avoided walking along a state highway.
I also sat through most classes with a genre fiction paperback book in my lap because I needed something to catch my interest and I’d already read ahead in the text book.
It depends on how they’re used. Having a supercomputer with the entire knowledge of human history in your pocket can be a pretty powerful educational tool.
As always, loss of rights for children always spreads to adults in short order.
Wait a minute… Isn’t banning phones from schools a good thing? I’m not trying to be difficult here, but aren’t they a huge distraction from the learning experience?
The point is regardless of if it’s good or not. Removing the rights and privileges of ANY group of humans. Will spread to the rest of us. When you restrict something for children in school it almost always ends up in work places for adults. Because many companies consider the work place little more then school 2.0 when it comes to control. The employee is functioning barely more then a child as far as many companies are concerned
Children deserve rights and respect. If it’s a problem you deal with it on a case by case basis. Just as you should in the work place. The sacrifice for freedom and self respect is that some people will try to take advantage of it and abuse it.
Blanket bans in all but the most extreme of cases are only considered smart by assfucks, shit stains, fascists and ignorant fuck muffins who listen to the other groups with out a second thought. And cellphones are NOT a extreme case.
For the rest of us we know how stupid they are and how many knock on problems they cause the rest of us. Or at a minimum ask and question things as to learn why there is a controversy.
So good on you for asking. Props for not being a idiot.
Hold up just a bit. It has little to do with infringing on someone’s rights and more to do with ensuring our children have the best learning environment we can provide them. You can argue workplace rights in a separate argument. Children do not NEED these devices. Parents do not NEED their children to have them.
Am I the old fogey here? Do y’all not see how these devices are a detriment to their learning experience?
Don’t worry, you’re right.
There’s a very vocal subset on Lemmy who think that any issue children have must be the parents/teachers fault, and that no blanket rules should exist. It’s weird.
The funny thing is the schools are the parent while the child is there.
We’re reacting to extreem oversteps aginst rights which are numerous these days
Children not being allowed to have a phone in class isn’t an extreme overstep against rights.
Access to a pocket size computer whenever you want isn’t an unalienable right.
If you own a pocket sized computer than you should be able to use it when ever you want.
It’s not an extreme overstep, but as we can literally see right now in this thread, it normalizes the loss of rights.
There’s another solution to banning phones without needing to ban phones; Fund our school properly so that our children get the attention and proper classrooms that they need. Of course it’s easier to ban phones in classrooms of 30 - 50, because then they don’t need to actually pay the teachers to care, or provide the resources necessary for creating a productive classroom.
Politicians are mad that kids have access to information like “it’s OK to be gay” and “the Gaza genocide is wrong” so they’re pulling every lever they can to remove that free access. Schools are already prison like environments where vague unproven “it’s for education” can be asserted, so they are. So.it the freaky surveillance they’re doing now. Are microphones in the bathroom “ensuring our children have the best learning environment” because they’re doing that in Beverly hills now
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I can see why you are pushing back, but I can also see their point of view:
In several schools I visited the children do not have their phones banned or taken away. They simply don’t use them, as they are engaged and have expectations set by their teachers to respect the classroom and their peers. Admittedly these are small classrooms, about 8 to 12 to a teacher with a lot of engagement.
But it shows that children can learn when it’s appropriate or not, without a blanket ban.
Similarly, if you are an adult and expected to perform at your work, do they need to treat you like a child and ban or restrict things?
Whoa, those are small class sizes, an ex-teacher friend had 20+ grade schoolers (6-8 iirc) to manage, most were underprivileged but still had phones and spent classes goofing off on them, even though the school and my friend had set rules stating phones were not allowed during class.
I would have to check, but I don’t think phones arent allowed. Its just that the kids are occupied with each other and engaged so they don’t use them.
I think that speaks volumes about the education system.
Oh and just because we are challenging norms: all three schools have implemented gender neutral bathrooms. They all have private floor to ceiling stalls with a common sink area that is open to the hall way. Extremely visible common area, extremely private single occupancy do your business area. They have had zero issues.
I like that bathroom idea, private is private, washing your hands doesn’t need to be private though (IMO obv.)
It’s like peeing in one side of a pool and expecting it to not spread
Having a phone in school would have been incredibly helpful to me. My middle and high schools got rid of pay phones but did not allow students to use the office phone. I accepted car rides from strangers multiple times because I was unable to get ahold of my parents and also unable to walk home due to distance and not knowing any routes that avoided walking along a state highway.
I also sat through most classes with a genre fiction paperback book in my lap because I needed something to catch my interest and I’d already read ahead in the text book.
It depends on how they’re used. Having a supercomputer with the entire knowledge of human history in your pocket can be a pretty powerful educational tool.
Or you can doomscroll TikToks for hours.
No, it’s not. It’s being done for censorship.
Children are banned from using phones?
In many schools now, yes.
Now? It was a rule for me 20 years ago.
Somewhere that got lost and kids all have cell phones in the class room and are distracted from learning
They’re using the same products they sell to schools to enforce phone bans (which are about censorship, not education)
Banning children (which means anyone under
1825) from using phones is the goal