• redwattlebird@thelemmy.club
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    8 days ago

    They fact that America has no avenue for ‘vote of no confidence’ and government dissolution is astounding. Still, it’s a good wake up call for the rest of the world to break ties and rethink alliances.

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      Actually we do have a mechanism for legally throwing everything out. It requires 2/3rds of all state governments to vote in favor of government reform. Then all of congress a the executive gets recalled and new elections are held across the country.

      I’m sure it seemed like a great idea when there were 13 states. Unfortunately, we can’t currently get some states to agree that pasteurizing milk or having fluoride in water is a good thing, so I think it’s a bit late to try to get 33 states to agree to reforming the government.

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        7 days ago

        Pfft flouride… We can’t even get all the states to agree that women are people that deserve full rights… Daily reminder that Equal Rights Amendment still isn’t in effect.

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        It always amazes me that the anti-vaccers, raw milk supporters, flat-earthers, you-name-it, don’t slowly (or quickly) die out, leaving us all better off. Guess they breed faster than they stick hands into wood chippers.

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          As far as anti-vaxxers and raw milk people go, despite not trusting modern medical science boy will they use it when their lives are on the line. Hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance at it’s finest

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        Sorry, your AI is hallucinating a bit. No such mechanism exists as you describe it.

        However, 2/3 of State legislatures can vote to have a Constitutional Convention for proposing amendments, any one of which would require 3/4 of states to approve in order to come into effect (just like any other amendment). This mechanism was conceived as a way to allow States to enact amendments without Congressional approval.

        And before you say “Hey, that’s a great idea”, know that the batshit crazy Conservatives have been trying to call for one for years, because since everything is done by state, they have a decided advantage. The large states lean Democratic, and the 12 most populous states have more than 50% of the population. That means that the other 38 states could ratify amendments without a majority of the population behind them.

        And to make things worse, although it is limited to “amendments”, there is nothing preventing a State Convention from ripping the whole thing up and starting over, without any of the nitpicky amendments that the Right hates (like freedom of speech, the press, religion, women voting, etc.), as long as 38 states agree to do it. That would likely prompt the 12 states on the losing end of the deal to attempt to secede rather than submit.

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          Instead of accusing me of using shitty autocorrect, you could also assume that I remember high school civics class from 15 years ago, where this was explained to me.

          Was my teacher wrong? Possibly.

          Am I offended you would think I would use an AI, definitely.

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      Yeah, in actual democracies a government behaving like this one would have been dissolved within 6 months

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        Well… I’m watching the shit show from the sidelines and in practice, regardless of whatever is written (full disclosure, I haven’t read it nor do I really want to because it looks like a really, really high bar), there appears to be no double dissolution procedures.

        This is because you have someone with very clear mental impairment still sitting as President doing all sorts of nonsense such as going against the very constitution you all swear by.

        Further, he lost the popular vote but still won the election. Absolutely astounding.