The submarine ride capped a nearly weeklong gathering funded by Epstein. It brought together around 20 of the world’s top physicists, including three Nobel laureates and three more who would later receive the prestigious prize.
The 2006 Virgin Islands conference illustrates how Epstein used philanthropy to build relationships with scientists and academic institutions. NPR spoke to scientists and searched through the Department of Justice documents on Epstein to understand how he built his network of prominent scientists. Epstein’s interests spanned fields including theoretical physics, evolutionary biology and computer science, and he funded conferences, research programs and individual scientists
But if the idea was to keep Epstein’s private life a secret, it wasn’t entirely effective. There were hints.
Guth said that during the conference, Epstein “was around but was really quite inconspicuous. He did not act as a host. He acted as a bystander.” However, “we probably never saw him without three or four young women,” Guth said.
Scientists got money; Epstein got prestige
A number of scientists who spoke to NPR echoed that assessment — that Epstein was eager to engage on the leading science topics of the day but had only a cursory understanding of them. Still, Woit concedes that “scientists love to have somebody who is willing to talk to them.”
After Epstein’s arrest, he leveraged those relationships to help rehabilitate his image. In one instance, in 2012, someone (whose name is redacted) sent Epstein an email informing him that they were “rehas[h]ing an article … on the gravity conference.” The following month, a press release was issued promoting the 2006 “Confronting Gravity” conference, without mentioning that it took place six years previously.
Woit said it seemed to be an effort to keep alive the notion that Epstein was still relevant in the world of science. “After 2006 … it was clear there was a large component of his activities that was reputation laundering,” he said.
Krauss, on the other hand, did have a close relationship with Epstein, who donated $250,000 to his Origins Project at Arizona State. When allegations of misconduct arose against Krauss at ASU, the physicist exchanged dozens of messages and emails with Epstein seeking advice on how to handle them. “This is your life and future. I would not be cavalier as you write,” Epstein wrote in a text to Krauss about how he should respond.
At the end of one conversation, Krauss said: “Thanks for everything Jeffrey.”
Krauss said he never saw the other side of Epstein. “Not once in that 15 years did he ever say, ‘Hey, I’ve got a young woman … .’ He wanted to talk about other things, and he wanted to help,” he said.
Krauss said Epstein reached out to him when he got out of jail in 2009. Epstein told him that the “experience had changed his view of the world, and he no longer wanted to make money.”
“He just wanted to support science,” Krauss said. “‘Well, that’s just a wonderful thing,’ I thought. That’s what he told me, and I believed it.”
So the gist of this article seems to be: the quid pro quo was just scientists needed money (very plausible) and Epstein needed prestige…
I have to call bullshit on that second part.
There’s probably a partial truth to it, but to believe a physicist like Krauss was friends with Epstein for 15 years, yet had no idea of who he really was other than a curious mind watching science from the outside and yearning to come in, you have to ignore a lot of weird coincidences:
A. Interviews like this one that Epstein gave in 2017
Financial language is getting outdated. Epstein suggests we need updated definitions for antique business vocabulary. These words include “currency,” “money,” “wealth,” “value,” and to some extent, “cost.”
Epstein revealed no details on his own cryptocurrency holdings, but it’s clear that the space occupies more than a little of his thinking. Bitcoin and related blockchain technologies easily represent an evolutionary leap forward for how we conceptualize money. It only makes sense that a practiced billionaire would be paying attention.
Since forming an eponymous foundation in 2000, Epstein has found a role as science philanthropist, sharing his resources to beneficial, unlikely ends. His money has funded research related to quantum computing, genetics, artificial intelligence, and beyond. As a result, the 64-year-old tycoon holds court with A-list names from the academic community, like theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking, cosmologist and author Lawrence Krauss, or MIT’s quantum computing pioneer, Seth Lloyd.
B. Epstein claimed he lobbied against congressional funding for cold fusion back in 1989
On the morning of 1 October 2009, Epstein wrote to Seckel: ‘regarding cold fusion. i killed pons years ago.’ When Seckel pressed him for details — ‘How did you kill him?’ — Epstein replied with specifics, writing that ‘the origidnal senate funding came out of congress, and wayne owens senator from utah , i was there an argues against, it, had ot meet with the head of the mormon church.’
C. Trump’s current Science Advisor (Michael Kratsios), who, like Epstein, holds no science credentials, began laying the groundwork for the Trump administration’s current focus on quantum computing, AI, and fusion technology back when Peter Thiel first brought him into the White House in 2017 to “help with technology issues.”
•2017: Trump taps Thiel associate for White House technology office
Kratsios is the chief of staff at Thiel Capital LLC, according to his LinkedIn profile. Thiel has been serving as an informal adviser to President Trump on technology policy throughout the transition… He began his career at Barclays Capital, and previously worked as the chief financial officer of Clarium Capital Management, another Thiel company.
•2025: Trump Media to merge with nuclear fusion company that wants to power AI
It’s always the same story whether it’s bankers, CEOs, politicians, or scientists. Nobody knew what was really going on. Nobody knew anything. He conned everyone. All of these odd connections that just happened to enable Epstein and so many other wealthy elites to skirt the law and make a lot of money doing it, are always just tragic coincidences until you start looking for paper trails and releasing witness testimony.
•2026: Barclays CEO ‘shocked’ by Epstein revelations as bank deals with Staley fallout
😱 How (/s)hocking! Guess where Kratsios got his start before he began working for Thiel.
Wow… Just recently I was watching the Fallout show with friends, and one of the plot points is that cold fusion was discovered pre-war, but buried by the mega corps because they needed energy to be scarce for them to extract profits.
I was watching with friends and jokes “Oh wow that puts
PinsPons and Fleischman into a whole new context!”. But now that I hear that Epstein was heavily involved in preventing Cold Fusion funding at the time, I seriously have to wonder. Like, I know the idea that they unlocked cold fusion using a household rubber add container is ridiculous. But still…And there was just another post that claimed that Epstein played a very active role in discrediting Pons (not “Pins”)
Cold fusion is bullshit. There are no ifs or buts about it. It is purely bullshit.
But Nature published it, just for the publicity. Everyone knew it was bullshit.
I’d just like to leave this here:

